re: Poker & Hand Ranges - How to decide suits in a range
Originally Posted by pocketehs
Yes, Jchoop that is what I mean. For instance, I had this hand this morning:
PokerStars Hand #85875888789: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2012/09/08 10:42:35 ET
Table 'Academia III' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SB ($3.72 in chips)
Seat 2: BB ($6.07 in chips)
Seat 3: VILLAIN ($2.34 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG+1 ($1.28 in chips)
Seat 5: MP ($2.02 in chips)
Seat 6: HJ ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 7: CO ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO ($2.15 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.01
BB: posts big blind $0.02
UTG+1: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [8d Ah]
VILLAIN: raises $0.04 to $0.06
UTG+1: calls $0.06
HERO: calls $0.06
BB: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [3h As Kh]
*** TURN *** [3h As Kh] <font color='black'>8♣</font>
VILLAIN: bets $0.10
HERO: raises $0.14 to $0.24
VILLAIN: calls $0.14
*** RIVER *** [3h As Kh 8c] <font color='red'>4♥</font>
HERO: bets $0.38
VILLAIN: calls $0.38
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [8d Ah] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
VILLAIN: mucks hand
HERO collected $1.46 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.51 | Rake $0.05
Board [3h As Kh 8c 4h]
Seat 3: VILLAIN mucked [Ad Jd]
Since the VILLAIN was tight-ish and UTG I assumed he had a relatively strong hand. When he bet the turn and I reraised I think I can rule out AK from his range (top two pair) as I believe he would either a). 3 bet b). bet out the river. From this I think I can put him on TPGK or AQ-A9 or any kind of drawing hand like hearts.
However, since I hold the Ah (the blocker) I can bet the river for value, correct? Is this a reasonable play?
again, this is going to be hard to accurately comment on because you havent provided stats on villain (im therefore going to go ahead and assume you dont use a HUD, in which case get one asap).
when you say villain was tight'ish, that doesnt give insight as to his postflop tenancies.. is he weaktight or tight aggressive? this matters significantly as 99% of players at 2NL are bad, and lots will check/call with flushdraws. for example, if i was posting this hand, id list for opponent;
-his pfr relative to the position he opened from (so UTG here i think)
-his flop Cbet stat
if villain is generally aggressive, you can rule out ALL flushes, regardless
of the fact that you have a blocker. this is because a villain of this nature is always going to bet his flushdraw OTF.
as far as playing the hand goes, you recognise that villain probably has a strong hand because he raised from EP, so why are you calling with A8o?
think about the kind of hands he opens from EP. obv i can only speculate, but if hes tight, its not unreasonable to assume hes only opening 99+ ATs+, AQo+ and maybe like KQs (although im not an FR player, and these opening ranges are actually pretty loose from UTG, id guess that theyd be pretty standard for 2NL players. nobody at 2NL is folding ATs/AJs UTG even though they should).
But even though ive given villain a super loose UTG opening range, A8o is still dominated, so we simply fold it pre. i just stoved it, and youre like 25% to win the hand based on the opening range i assigned him.
as played, bet the flop. you have top pair, and board is drawy. you want to devalue your opponents and charge them to draw out on you, not show them free cards. definitely raise the turn like you did. i like the sizing there. and as ive already explained, villain almost never
has a flush on that river. i hope he didnt show up with one there so i dont get flamed, as i havent looked at results- just for future reference though, when you post a hand for analysis, delete the results so people cant see them as the results of the hand will inevitably bias the analysis people are going to give
Originally Posted by BigCountryAA
That makes total sense. I understand what he was talking about now. Thanks that actually gave me some insight as well.
glad to help out
Originally Posted by BigCountryAA
No problem. I don't think I'd have any better read on this then Jchoop. He's one of the better cash players I've seen on this site and is definitely smarter then I am on the subject.