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Im bored, to tired for poker and not bored enough for cod so i maked a random hand quiz.
There are no "right" answers just needed something to do, pretty much standard stuff.

UTG-$100
MP-$100
CO-$100
BTN-$100
SB-$100
BB-$20


Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with X X
3folds, BTN raises 4$,SB folds,BB raises 20$ all-in, BTN calls


What is our calling range here?
No real history with villain but he doesnt seem to have any other mental limitations besides beeing a POS shortstacker.




UTG-$100
MP-$100
CO-$100
BTN-$100
SB-$100
BB-$100$


Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with X X
2folds,CO raises 4$,BTN calls,SB folds,BB raises 16$,CO calls,BTN folds

Flop: (36,50$) :7d4: :qc4: :8d4:
Hero?

Villains a 21/17/3 reg, 40% foldtocbet,65% fold to 3bet.
What we do here with.
:10s4: :10c4: ?
:js4: :10s4: ?
:ac4: :ks4: ?
:7c4: :2s4: ?
:6s4: :6d4: ?
:5d4: :4c4: ?
:ah4: :8h4: ?
:qd4: :10h4:?


UTG-$100
MP-$100
CO-$100
BTN-$100
SB-$100
BB-$100$


Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with X X
UTG raises 4$,2folds,BTN Calls,SB folds,BB raises to 14$,UTG folds,BTN raises to 35$

UTG is a nit and BB is a aggro spew monkey.
Whats our range?
 
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Hand 1, top 40% of range : 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A3o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T9o

Hand 3 : getting it in with 88+,ATo+,KQs+

hand 2 : Other than QT which I will bet almost all the time, the hands do not matter (other than the TT which is obv c/c), just depends on how I'm feeling, I'd c/c, b/f, c/r, c/f, b/c.
 
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1: 22+ AQ+ and 78s-JTs. With that being said, I raise $2 here to avoid this spot and then my calling range is a lot stronger like 88+, AK.

2:
TT make standard cbet and am prepared to fire another barrel, it's really only A's and diamonds that I'm worried about as likely floating cards but am aware that the Q is a possibility as are straight possibilities so I'm not getting crazy. Check-calling most rivers.
JTs, mostly same as above. I turn TT into a sort of bluff, and JTs is a bluff. I consider myself bluffing and will be unlikely to get crazy over multiple streets because I neither have showdown value or outs.
AKo, again, standard cbet. Barrel this sucker all the way to the river. Kinda scared that my A's might be dirty if I get called down, but since I have more showdown value than draws and I presumably have 6 outs against most hands, things are going to get a little crazy. Only thing that slows me down are A's which put me in pot control mode.
72o I didn't 3bet this. I understand why you can 3bet it, because it has no value on it's own and you're not wasting value by turning it into a bluff, but my range is only polarized if I'm 3betting 3x and maybe 3.5x.
66 same as TT except I give up easier, I'm firing a 2nd barrel on a blank turn and giving up if called or if the turn is scary.
54o again, I didn't 3bet this.
A8s if it blanks to the river I'm going to be uncomfortable firing a 3rd barrel and probably check/call. But the lethal mixture of outs and showdown value ensures some barrelling goodness.
QTo, value town here I come. 2-3 streets, kinda unsure about the river and check-call a lot of the time.

3: 99+/AK, depending on how spewy BB is I might get a little wider than that and include 88/AQ.
 
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1: 22+ AQ+ and 78s-JTs. With that being said, I raise $2 here to avoid this spot and then my calling range is a lot stronger like 88+, AK.
Yeah agree i would usualy min raise there aswell,exception beeing if SB is a giant fish in which case im more concerned about geting as much money in the pot against him (hopefully) HU in position then i am about BB jamming on us.


But if we do make it 2$ and villain jams we can still call profitably with a range way wider then 9.5%.
If we open here with ATC and villain jams top 30% hands we can call, and make a profit with a top 40% range(like marginal posted).
 
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In hand 2, I'd c-bet pretty much everything. OOP, there's just no such thing as a cheap showdown in a 3-bet pot.

Hand 3 I'll say any non-implied odds hand that we flatted in position. AK/AQ/KQs/99-AA. I'd probably fold KQ to the spewmonkey's 3-bet, but the rest of that range is going in.
 
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What about the CO who became BTN how does he play?
 
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Yeah agree i would usualy min raise there aswell,exception beeing if SB is a giant fish in which case im more concerned about geting as much money in the pot against him (hopefully) HU in position then i am about BB jamming on us.


But if we do make it 2$ and villain jams we can still call profitably with a range way wider then 9.5%.
If we open here with ATC and villain jams top 30% hands we can call, and make a profit with a top 40% range(like marginal posted).

You're right, a wider range is better.



Also just to clarify because my first response was a little unclear on some stuff, JT in hand 2 does have outs but no outs that I give any value to. 4 outs to a straight are good but the 6 outs to a pair are as good as worthless. 4 outs or less isn't enough for me to consider it semi-bluffing, so betting JT is a pure bluff to me (and because of that, I give up with it easy).

TT immediately looks like WA/WB because there's an over on the board, but with an opponent who floats a lot on a Q high board (A, K being overcards), a flush draw and a straight draw in addition to the always present bottom/middle pair 5+ outs to improve hands, villain is going to be floating a lot so in my opinion the flop bet (at least) is considered for value as worse calls frequently. On the river we lose the drawy stuff in villain's calling range, so I think we have to plan to check/call most rivers to catch bluffs.
Also, if we want to get to a showdown at all, we have to be betting on early streets. Playing for showdown OOP turns into bluff catching or letting villain draw for free, both really suck especially OOP. So I bet TT almost 100% of the time here.
 
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1. Raise size is terrible. At least 3x but most people I know 2.5 or minraise with shortstacks in the blinds. As played I never fold becuase **** them and if I make the best hand I win if they make the best hand they gtfo my table.

2. Out of that list AK and 45o are the only 2 hands in my 3-bet range. I probably just ch/f 45 and bet AK once and give up if called/raised unless my equity improves

3. TT-KK/AQ/AK although raise size is terrible just ship it. Only exception is maybe we have KK or flatted AA pre and have that in our range here and want to let him spazz shove with worse if he thinks we might be bluffing here. But when we backraise over a squeeze we are just never folding to a shove and anyone competent knows it. So just shove imo.
 
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I'm so confused... Someone needs to teach me hand ranges and shit... I dont get it... and never had...
 
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In hand 2, I'd c-bet pretty much everything. OOP, there's just no such thing as a cheap showdown in a 3-bet pot.

I'm making the assumption that you're firing 2-3 barrels with most of them.
Just wondering if you play these hands faster than I said I do, or give up easier.



2. Out of that list AK and 45o are the only 2 hands in my 3-bet range. I probably just ch/f 45 and bet AK once and give up if called/raised unless my equity improves

Seems like a strange range.

Why do you choose 45 and not 72o? Once you're only 3betting nuts/junk the junk hands don't matter, ideal situations far outweigh the equity difference between junk and worse junk, imo.
Also the only reason to 3bet 45 and not a hand like QTo or A8s or TT, is if you're flatting a lot of these hands. How do you make this proffitable post-flop?

To be honest I don't entirely disagree with the one and done approach to cbetting OOP, giving up OOP is generally +EV (or less -EV) but people see the shiny dealer button and get out of line a lot (even fish) which makes them exploitable. I haven't played against any particularly competent opponents yet, but I think a 3betting range of 15% or higher is sustainable against anyone remotely positionally aware but to do that I don't think you can play fit or fold. Your range (not hand) is decent/strong, theirs is weak, exploit.
Just random ramblings if anyone wants to correct me.
 
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@pokerkid
Well it doesnt seem like alot but the 7-10% equity difrence that 54 has over 72 vs a overpair is actualy quiet huge in the long run.
I dont 3bet 54 often(or at all really) but i do see why u would prefer 54 over 72 if your 3betting monsters/junk.
The fact we can actualy flop a combo draws and stuff with 54 where as with 72 there are basicly 3flops we like.

But i also agree that if your just 3betting junk/monsters situations matter alot more then your hand...
 
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I actually don't 3-bet 45o a ton either much rather 45s but it's just going to play much better in 3-bet pots than 72o or even 66. Just a lot of spots where I have enough equity to double barrel whereas with 72o if you flop 7 or 2 you have 5-out semibluff otherwise you basically have 0 equity. With 45s you can flop flush draws, straight draws, backdoor flush/straight draws, along with the same amount of 2pair/trips/5-out semibluff opportunities you can have with 72o.
 
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