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berny81

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I just played the following hand and think I played it completely wrong and wanted to know your view. Its 2NL cash 6 max game.

Hero BB KdJh
Villain 1 raises to 0.08
Villain 2 calls 0.08
Hero calls 0.08

rest fold

FLop Td9s4d
Hero checks
Villain 1 bets 0.12$
Villain 2 calls 0.12$
Hero calls 0.12$

Turn 8d

Hero checks
Villain 1 bets 0.28$
Villain 2 folds and Hero calls both 0.28$

River 4s

Hero checks
Villain 1 bets $0.84
Hero folds
 
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I don't see anything wrong with the fold. OOP with KJo isn't a nice place to be, were you calling the flop to hit a pair?
 
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I had a read on the guy he was way too loose and he was playing a lot of trashy hands in the session so I just widened my range a bit.

I was hoping for a flush draw and basically on the turn I had 20 outs on the hand so should I have reraised him on the turn in the hopes for him to fold or me to hit one of the 20 outs?

Thanks
 
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In my opinion you shouldn't call the flop. The straight was far away from you and if you would have hit a pair there were big chances for a villain to have a straight. Play more carefully from now on!
 
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Thanks for your reply. I generally play very carefully just thought to loosen up a bit but you are right was kind of a long shot the play.

On another note. I have just recently started playing and have about 16k hands played with BB/100 of over $6 playing only 2NL 6 max cash. I guess the sample is too small to give any clue to how well a play but in general whats the BB/100 numbers that I should aim for?
 
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I just played the following hand and think I played it completely wrong and wanted to know your view. Its 2NL cash 6 max game.

Hero BB KdJh
Villain 1 raises to 0.08
Villain 2 calls 0.08
Hero calls 0.08

Ok, you think he's loose, but you're OOP with an easily dominated hand for the times he has decent cards, you need to have a plan when you call

rest fold

FLop Td9s4d
Hero checks
Villain 1 bets 0.12$
Villain 2 calls 0.12$
Hero calls 0.12$

I don't hate floating if you think hitting your K or J is good, but I don't think you can be confident of that, especially with two opponents, so this should probably be a fold

Turn 8d

Hero checks
Villain 1 bets 0.28$
Villain 2 folds and Hero calls both 0.28$

He's c-betting into two people despite being called down. You said he's loose, so he could pretty much have anything. You're still hoping for a straight, or, at best, a pair that puts a different straight on the board. Unless you think you can take this pot without a showdown, you should absolutely not be continuing.

River 4s

Hero checks
Villain 1 bets $0.84

That's a great barrel card for him, but then again, most cards would've been, so you're in too deep.
Hero folds

In red.

Always have a plan to win the pot without a showdown when deciding to continue unimproved on the flop.
 
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Fold flop probably... I don't have huge problem with pre. People don't bluff all that much at 2NL. Just fold... Find a better spot
 
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Great thanks for all the comments much appreciated!!
 
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Why didn't you raise pre flop, you might have had a better idea where you stood. I probably would have raised him 20¢, and then decided what to do, by what he did.
 
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On the turn, you were looking for any K (3 outs), J (3 outs), 8 (4 outs) or diamond (8 outs because one of the 8's is a diamond and one of the J's is a diamond), for a total of 18 cards in the deck that help you on the turn, and you were getting 4:1 on your money. But since the majority of those "outs" don't actually give you a strong hand yet, you should have folded if you had no intention of making a move to steal the pot on the turn or river if you miss.
That being said, you made the call and turned a straight and flush draw, giving you 15 outs plus any K (3 outs) if you think it will win the pot. Note: a J no longer helps you because it creates a dangerous board for your weak hand. You were getting over 2:1 on your money, so the call is correct.
The key is in bold, though. If you planned on folding in the instance that your hand does not improve on the turn or river, you should have just folded the flop.
 
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Why didn't you raise pre flop, you might have had a better idea where you stood. I probably would have raised him 20¢, and then decided what to do, by what he did.
I disagree. He said the villain was playing way loose and lots of trash. If villain calls the hero's raise, that really doesn't narrow anything down, and all of a sudden the hero is involved in a bigger pot, out of position, with a hand that isn't too strong, against a player that could be holding virtually anything.
 
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I think raising preflop would have given him no information he stats the villain is loose. So raising pre flop would have probably been the same outcome depending on how much the raise was, he could have had a pair of 4s and flopped a set, raising pre flop I think would have still been a bad idea I don't mind the floating but I probably would have folded the turn, that's as far I would go with it. hitting your paid could have given 1 of the 2 villians a made hand
 
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I think raising preflop would have given him no information he stats the villain is loose. So raising pre flop would have probably been the same outcome depending on how much the raise was, he could have had a pair of 4s and flopped a set, raising pre flop I think would have still been a bad idea I don't mind the floating but I probably would have folded the turn, that's as far I would go with it. hitting your paid could have given 1 of the 2 villians a made hand

Floating the flop so he could fold a 15+ outer on the turn hardly makes sense.

I think you either fold pre, fold the flop, or get to the turn or river with the intention of attempting a steal if you miss. Anything else is basically a waste of chips.
 
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with so many outs in the turn i would made the call but if i saw this flop i would fold
 
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