re: Poker & H/L Omaha: My treatise
Originally Posted by glworden
I am a beginning player, transitioning to intermediate. Here are excerpts of a discussion I share with my local players' group, just my take on the game. Comments, suggestions are criticism are welcome.
1) Omaha HL limit didn't work out for me. The game dynamic is a whole different profile than Pot Limit. It costs more to see a flop, so if you're not hitting you fritter your stack away at a faster rate. The pot odds make it cheaper to chase, so you might end up doing more of that than you should.
2) Here's what I'll play if it's cheap:
A-2-3, especially if the ace is suited.
Any three cards that make the wheel.
And hand with three broadway cards
Any double suited aces
3) In Hold 'Em, an 8-outer open-ended straight draw is a decent hand. In Omaha it's crap, because the outs there are 13, 16 or 20 outs. So you don't even mess with a lot of the crap that looks golden in Hold 'Em.
4) I think Omaha is more profitable than Hold 'Em because:
2. The rise from bad to average is easier in Omaha than Hold 'Em, and the advantage is huge.
Excellent post, thanks for doing it! I read every word, and thought you were spot on with almost
everything. A few new points to ponder for me too. Well, you asked for some comments, and I got them.
1) I've found both to be partially true. First off, people do PFR in Omaha PL too. So, it sounds
like what you mean is this... In PLO PF bets are bigger so you can get off a hand quicker. In limit (O8 in particular), you've got to be very selective about your starting hands, totally anticipating it will get reraised around, and this goes for every round of betting post-flop too. Post flop, you need the discipline and skill to know when it's smart to chase or not
. (i.e. half pot draws, non-nut draws, I could go on all day here).
2) If you're going to play any 3 wheel cards, you'll certain play A23, so a little redundant. A23, yes that's a given, suited is nice, but it doesn't matter. A45 and such, the 4th card must be doing a job, like a K suited to the 4 or 5. On the 3 Broadway cards (and I just checked Hwang's book to be sure I was on the right track)... Any 4 Broadway cards are VERY playable. And 4 cards 9 or higher including an ace. He didn't say this specifically, but an upper-gapper Broadway with 3 cards like KJT6, is not playable. KQT (lower gapper is better, and of course AKQ or KQJ).
3) All great points here. The only thing I can add is that should you even hit that 8-outer open-ender on the high
end, it could never be the nut straight, unless it's a Broadway.
4) Funny, I'm currently reading Hwang's Omaha book. On page 1, he says "In PLO, or any Omaha game for that matter - the difference between a good players and a great player is not nearly as great as the distance between a good player and a bad player." I believe he was comparing it to holdem.