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Ok so i've been grinding microstakes for about a week now, improving here and there and making a bit here and there. My last session was an hour long and made $10 on .05/.10 but i only do 8 tables at once because of the size of my screen (17inch macbook). Probably will be getting a bigger screen in the future to do more tables though

Anyway here are my questions:

1. How much should a good microstakes grinder expect to earn p/hr on average?

2. Playing suited connectors eg 89, j10 on the cut off/button when 3BB raise giving you position. Yes or No? I seem to do this but only ever play 78,89,910,10j. I feel it's a good idea but want some opinions on this.

3. What pot odds should there be when your playing a small pair eg 6's after a 3bet? For example you raise to 3BB with 6's from EP and get a 3bet to XBB's from the button/cutoff making you out of position. What amount of BB's should you call if a 3bet occurs, if ever?
 
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Ok so i've been grinding microstakes for about a week now, improving here and there and making a bit here and there. My last session was an hour long and made $10 on .05/.10 but i only do 8 tables at once because of the size of my screen (17inch macbook). Probably will be getting a bigger screen in the future to do more tables though

Anyway here are my questions:

1. How much should a good microstakes grinder expect to earn p/hr on average?

2. Playing suited connectors eg 89, j10 on the cut off/button when 3BB raise giving you position. Yes or No? I seem to do this but only ever play 78,89,910,10j. I feel it's a good idea but want some opinions on this.

3. What pot odds should there be when your playing a small pair eg 6's after a 3bet? For example you raise to 3BB with 6's from EP and get a 3bet to XBB's from the button/cutoff making you out of position. What amount of BB's should you call if a 3bet occurs, if ever?

At NL10 regular tables i think ~8-9bb You consider yourself being good? Good players dont call 3bets out of position with 6 6. Unless the villain is super aggro what % of the time do you think he will be bluffing when 3betting an UTG open?????
 
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ORLY? He is talking about set mining FFS.
 
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Ok so i've been grinding microstakes for about a week now, improving here and there and making a bit here and there. My last session was an hour long and made $10 on .05/.10 but i only do 8 tables at once because of the size of my screen (17inch macbook). Probably will be getting a bigger screen in the future to do more tables though

Anyway here are my questions:

1. How much should a good microstakes grinder expect to earn p/hr on average?

2. Playing suited connectors eg 89, j10 on the cut off/button when 3BB raise giving you position. Yes or No? I seem to do this but only ever play 78,89,910,10j. I feel it's a good idea but want some opinions on this.

3. What pot odds should there be when your playing a small pair eg 6's after a 3bet? For example you raise to 3BB with 6's from EP and get a 3bet to XBB's from the button/cutoff making you out of position. What amount of BB's should you call if a 3bet occurs, if ever?

1. 15-20BB/100 hands may be good
2. I will open with these hands definitely, but seldom call against a short stack rock player
3. Just fold as you are out of position. Unless you just get mini3betted
 
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At NL10 regular tables i think ~8-9bb You consider yourself being good? Good players dont call 3bets out of position with 6 6. Unless the villain is super aggro what % of the time do you think he will be bluffing when 3betting an UTG open?????

I don't usually call 3bets with small pocket pairs but i want to look at it more in depth...

A pocket pair has a 11.7% chance to flop a set. That mean you need just below 8:1 pot odds you to call. Chances are you will be calling 60c into roughly a $1.35 pot given the the 3bet is 90c, so obviously this is only just about 2:1...but what if you do flop a set? That 60c will have good call value preflop with you hitting a set. Player in position will more than likely bet around $1.2/$1.3 as a continuation bet. This 60c has now converted its odds into nearly 4:1. Now i understand i said i need 8:1 odds but what if you play against a player thats super aggro that has a high CB Turn % and can squeeze most of his stack out? I think there are many variables where you can consider, statistically/mathematically, where you can call with a small pocket pair.
 
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I don't usually call 3bets with small pocket pairs but i want to look at it more in depth...

A pocket pair has a 11.7% chance to flop a set. That mean you need just below 8:1 pot odds you to call. Chances are you will be calling 60c into roughly a $1.35 pot given the the 3bet is 90c, so obviously this is only just about 2:1...but what if you do flop a set? That 60c will have good call value preflop with you hitting a set. Player in position will more than likely bet around $1.2/$1.3 as a continuation bet. This 60c has now converted its odds into nearly 4:1. Now i understand i said i need 8:1 odds but what if you play against a player thats super aggro that has a high CB Turn % and can squeeze most of his stack out? I think there are many variables where you can consider, statistically/mathematically, where you can call with a small pocket pair.

Thats what i wrote , unless the villain is super aggro you shouldnt be calling .
 
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^^ Agree above for the set mining situation. If you expect a raise from him anyway, limp-calling will probably give you better odds...

If he does 3x your own 3x raise pre then its probably a fold. Your own math shows it. He would have to hit something himself on the flop, otherwise you are just getting c-bet money (unless he's 2 barreling often enough) if he 3-bets wide enough. If not see above post by Speedexas.

Some people at microstakes don't 3 bet 3x though, so if he just 2x's it its looking more like a call.

And no one is taking a stab at your second question... you're talking about calling a 3bb raise in position? I personally would be folding most of that, save the most pretty of those hands J10, 910 suited, and I knew the opponent was more on the passive/weak side so that potential semi-bluffs have more fold equity.

But then again I'm not too good, lol, they could be profitable in position, you seem like a decent player. If you use a HUD you can look up BB won/lost with certain types of hands... looks like you have enough volume to make use of this
 
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Thanks for the posts speed, just what i was looking for:)

And no one is taking a stab at your second question... you're talking about calling a 3bb raise in position? I personally would be folding most of that, save the most pretty of those hands J10, 910 suited, and I knew the opponent was more on the passive/weak side so that potential semi-bluffs have more fold equity.

But then again I'm not too good, lol, they could be profitable in position, you seem like a decent player. If you use a HUD you can look up BB won/lost with certain types of hands... looks like you have enough volume to make use of this

yeah i usually do considering other factors such as cbet flop/turn % with high volume of hands on the player and try to play the player when i dont hit. Also if i do hit i could call flop and try to check it down hoping an A/K/Q doesn't come but i've got no real idea how successful this would be.
 
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Anyway here are my questions:

1. How much should a good microstakes grinder expect to earn p/hr on average?
Don't worry about what other people make or could make. Focus on what your winrate is, and what leaks you have to fix. Knowing what other people may or may not do doesn't affect your results.

2. Playing suited connectors eg 89, j10 on the cut off/button when 3BB raise giving you position. Yes or No? I seem to do this but only ever play 78,89,910,10j. I feel it's a good idea but want some opinions on this.
I think it's good and I think it's bad. You need to consider stack sizes and villain tendencies. Preferably we're deep stacked so we can get more money from villain when we hit. Also, we prefer villain to have a very strong opening range when we play these. Consider two opponents, one who only raises AA and another who raises 100% of his hands. If the first player raises with his aces, and you call with your suited connectors, you can probably extract quite a bit of value from him when you hit your hand (I don't feel attempting to utilize pot size to create profitable bluffing scenarios to be a viable strategy in uNL, so that aspect of SC's is being negated). However if the guy who raises 100% of his hands raises and you call, and hit your hand, well a lot of the time he has trash that you aren't getting paid from.

3. What pot odds should there be when your playing a small pair eg 6's after a 3bet? For example you raise to 3BB with 6's from EP and get a 3bet to XBB's from the button/cutoff making you out of position. What amount of BB's should you call if a 3bet occurs, if ever?
At the micros, just let this go. Playing oop sucks on its own. Playing oop in a 3bet pot where you flatted the 3b? Well now that REALLY sucks. Villain ranges are generally very strong, almost forcing you to play fit or fold which is not a good spot to be calling a 3bet oop. And then when you do spike a set, your implied odds are not as good as many believe them to be. Short version, just fold and move on
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