dj11
Legend
Silver Level
Traditional BRM suggests 100 Full Buy-ins, and thus to play 5nl till you get there. A more aggressive attack might suggest 5nl to something like $2k, then move up, but be aware that at BR = $2K, you will suffer what most consider a short stack mindset at a 25nl game. It might not seem like it at that moment but there is an undeniable 'comfort level' most of us have whether we acknowledge it or not. Mine seems to be around 100 buy-ins. At 60 BI's, I have only recently noticed that I am affected by that short stack mentality.
Personally, I would suggest a mix in any transitions. So maybe when BR =$1K, you start adding a bigger buy-in on occasion (maybe 1/5 of your sessions). I can see a downside in that the different buy-ins do play differently, but those differences should be understood thoroughly before you commit to a new, higher buy-in as your standard game.
Don't hurry yourself. Your question also adds 'most efficiently'. I see that as implying a concern that IMHO translates to a fear.
Personally, I would suggest a mix in any transitions. So maybe when BR =$1K, you start adding a bigger buy-in on occasion (maybe 1/5 of your sessions). I can see a downside in that the different buy-ins do play differently, but those differences should be understood thoroughly before you commit to a new, higher buy-in as your standard game.
Don't hurry yourself. Your question also adds 'most efficiently'. I see that as implying a concern that IMHO translates to a fear.
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BluffMeAllIn
4evrInmyheart RIP xoxo :(
Silver Level
dj confirmed br nit lol.
Personally I was getting to feel more comfy on a 50bi brm for cash myself, probably because i liked the extra cushion when running many tables and that essentially new to an online cash grind and obv tended to not lay down hands when its very likely I am beat (I plan to crush it when i decide to venture back to the cash tables
). Never hurts to have more cushion, as its always good for the pushin LOLedit: being beat as in the flush hitting the river and I don't want to believe the bstrds grrrr
micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
Being that BR nit has served me well over the years. But yeah, I probably am.
Thing is I really can tell the difference between my attitude when playing 100 BI's and when I play with only 50 or 60 BI's. And certainly at 10-20 BI's I'm feeling like I'm at a slot machine. It affects not so much about what hands I play, I can play fishy at any level, but rather on why I play what I play when I play it.
But I do occasionally step totally outside my comfort zone. Seldom at ring games, but semi-often at tourney's.
Thing is I really can tell the difference between my attitude when playing 100 BI's and when I play with only 50 or 60 BI's. And certainly at 10-20 BI's I'm feeling like I'm at a slot machine. It affects not so much about what hands I play, I can play fishy at any level, but rather on why I play what I play when I play it.
But I do occasionally step totally outside my comfort zone. Seldom at ring games, but semi-often at tourney's.
BluffMeAllIn
4evrInmyheart RIP xoxo :(
Silver Level
Yeah 100 bi should certainly be something to put ya in a comfort zone and not have to worry about swings for the most part.
I think maybe if I was playing like 25NL+ or something 100bi would be nice for comfort and because its a stake that obviously if your over the long run winning you could actually manage to make some money from it in regards to withdrawing to suplement income. I'd go nuts I think grinding at 2nl or 5nl with 100bi just because unless I went on a major heater it would feel like it took forever and a day to move up limits to eventually get to a point where I would be making some coin.
I mean we know people can possible go on 20-40 bi downswings at times so in that situation at least having 100bi would mean you could hopefully stick to the same stakes and play through it before having to drop down.
So wish cash games didn't tilt (i'm horribad for jumping stakes to chase losses in cash) me so much lol, but I'm working on those issues currently by avoiding cash games.
I think maybe if I was playing like 25NL+ or something 100bi would be nice for comfort and because its a stake that obviously if your over the long run winning you could actually manage to make some money from it in regards to withdrawing to suplement income. I'd go nuts I think grinding at 2nl or 5nl with 100bi just because unless I went on a major heater it would feel like it took forever and a day to move up limits to eventually get to a point where I would be making some coin.
I mean we know people can possible go on 20-40 bi downswings at times so in that situation at least having 100bi would mean you could hopefully stick to the same stakes and play through it before having to drop down.
So wish cash games didn't tilt (i'm horribad for jumping stakes to chase losses in cash) me so much lol, but I'm working on those issues currently by avoiding cash games.
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jj20002
Visionary
Silver Level
what happen if you lose all your bankroll? then are you broken? then you need like 100-200 buyins
if your money is part of your budget for recreation, then you can manage less than 50 buyins and play with some spare and have fun enough until you run out again
if your money is part of your budget for recreation, then you can manage less than 50 buyins and play with some spare and have fun enough until you run out again
PoKeRFoRNiA
Legend
Bronze Level
Bankroll Management depends on your playing style and your tilt control level. If you're a TAG or conservative player who has a solid game, then you'll be able to manage with 20-30 buy-ins. However, if you're a LAG player who makes lots of bluffs, but plays solid game, then you'll need lot more buy-ins, about 100 buy-ins.
I'm a LAG player but if I am able to prove that I can beat the stakes, then I'll need 100 buy-ins.
Tight/Conservative player = loose/aggressive bankroll management(20-35 buy-ins)
Loose/Aggressive player = Tight/Conservative bankroll management(50-100 buy-ins)
Based on my style and from time to time, my lack of tilt control, I keep it 120 buy-ins. I move up when I have 120 buy-ins of higher stake. And once I have moved up, if I lose 20 buy-ins and I'm down to 100 buy-ins, I moved down the stake to make up those 20 buy-ins while analyzing and studying my hands of what could've gone wrong when I moved up. There's nothing wrong with having lot of buy-ins. You just won't move up quickly but you'll be more consistent and when you move up, you'll be happy about how you moved up since you've proven that you've beaten the stake long-term and graduated up.
I'm a LAG player but if I am able to prove that I can beat the stakes, then I'll need 100 buy-ins.
Tight/Conservative player = loose/aggressive bankroll management(20-35 buy-ins)
Loose/Aggressive player = Tight/Conservative bankroll management(50-100 buy-ins)
Based on my style and from time to time, my lack of tilt control, I keep it 120 buy-ins. I move up when I have 120 buy-ins of higher stake. And once I have moved up, if I lose 20 buy-ins and I'm down to 100 buy-ins, I moved down the stake to make up those 20 buy-ins while analyzing and studying my hands of what could've gone wrong when I moved up. There's nothing wrong with having lot of buy-ins. You just won't move up quickly but you'll be more consistent and when you move up, you'll be happy about how you moved up since you've proven that you've beaten the stake long-term and graduated up.
Mr Sandbag
Legend
Silver Level
If you are playing with 30-50 buy ins and you go broke, you may want to sharpen your skills.
IMO, you can probably get by with 20+ buy ins safely as long as you're not super LAG. I play 1/2 NL live, and I've only got like 10 buy ins...if dj is a bankroll nit, I guess that makes me a bankroll super LAG aggro spewtard.
PoKeRFoRNiA
Legend
Bronze Level
If you are playing with 30-50 buy ins and you go broke, you may want to sharpen your skills.
IMO, you can probably get by with 20+ buy ins safely as long as you're not super LAG. I play 1/2 NL live, and I've only got like 10 buy ins...if dj is a bankroll nit, I guess that makes me a bankroll super LAG aggro spewtard.
I'm a bankroll ultra-nit.
I only move up when I have 120 buy-ins of higher stake.
While I mostly played sngs, I only moved up when I have 120 buy-ins of higher stake. Once I moved up, if I'm down to 100 buy-ins, I drop back down to analyze my plays of why I have lost 20 buy-ins at higher stakes but meanwhile, I would grind those 20 buy-ins back at lower stakes since I'm capable of doing it which is why I was able to move up in the first place, and then take another shot at higher stakes. This gave me ultra comfort zone while I was able to make LAG plays and even have room for tilt.
I do have to say one thing. If you're planning to do 20-30 buy-ins, you MUST have good tilt control. When I faced downswing and mixed with tilt also, I've gone as far as 30 buy-in downswing. And when I thought that was bad enough, I've seen and heard worse. You must factor in your tilt control level too.
I also had to have lot of buy-ins because I multi-tabled. There's no way I'm gonna feel comfortable opening up 10 tables and putting up half of my money up front at the tables but with my brm, I'm only putting up 10% of my bankroll up front at risk.
Mr Sandbag
Legend
Silver Level
Good point about tilt control.
The more buy ins the better, honestly. I wish I had 100 buy ins. But I'm a live player, so the lowest stakes I can play is 1/2. I simply don't have any other choice but to try and grind up a small bankroll. Obviously I wouldn't recommend it, though.
PoKeRFoRNiA
Legend
Bronze Level
This was for online. I used to do this before Black Friday occurred. My live bankroll is only $2.6k right now. I've originally put up my bank account as my bankroll like a recreational player but once I've made over $2k bcz I ran really good playing at $1/$2, I decided to just use that as my bankroll and then recently, I've played lot of home games, so I dropped down in stakes, finding $0.25/$0.50 games. My bankroll is over $2.5k and I currently play with 50 buy-ins brm. I play 50NL(but buy-ins are $20 initial buy-in within first hour of cash game and $40 rebuy or buy-in if cash game has gone on for at least an hour) and also $40-$50 live tournaments/sngs. I don't know where you're from but you might wanna try using meetup site and look for local poker home games nearby. It's more fun and better than casinos. Games are LOT softer too while there's no rake although I tip the hosts whenever I come out with the profit.
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Cowboywes
Rising Star
Bronze Level
At $750 play 25nl
At $1500 play 50nl
At $3000 play 100nl
Really easy
What's this #nl stuff is this for online? I play live games are at the casino but they are 1/2 , 1/3 , 2/4 , 5/10 ??
Blobweird123
CC's very own Dead Head
Silver Level
ok so those would be 200nl, 300nl, 400nl and 1knl. You state yours as the blinds $1/$2. Duggs stated his as the buyin, $200, $300 etc.
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Cowboywes
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Thanks for that all makes sense now, cheers