Originally Posted by Poker_play
Interesting thought. I don't think I like it vs good players though.
Ch/Raise flop is standard, shows strength.
Check on turn is interesting. I don't think Ch/R is effective on consecutive streets--you've already shown strength, so when you check they won't jump on it as a sign of weakness IMO anymore..or not often enough to make this an optimal line. I think more often then not you'll have good villains a) check behind, b) bet to induce or c) bet and then herocall. In any of those cases, this line is less effective than others IMO.
I debate between flat flop, Ch/R turn or Ch/R flop, lead turn big to maximize fold equity.
Very villain dependant though so your line may be very good vs aggro, lower limit players who think street by street. "he checked turn? must have been bluffing on flop. wait what?? fold"
I guess im mostly playing lower limit aggro players? rofl at your villian 'thought process'. my usual line was c/r flop lead turn, but 100BB i kinda hate it lol. against the guys at micros TP is all about calling my check raise, so i kinda have no fold equity when i barrel the turn. if the river bricks, im left a big pot and not a big enough ESS to be able to push anyone off anything, let alone so many times when i check here, i get shoved on.
but like whats the alternative? if c/r flop i cant really check call turn. maybe ill try your flat flop, c/r turn. now that i think about it that does seem pretty fecking epic- plus it leaves me with enough to shove the river whether i make it or not and still have some fold equity...
Originally Posted by baudib1
Depends on stack sizes really but going for a double check-raise is pretty damn iffy. Most players are going to check back medium strength hands. If you're going to check-raise the turn, which in general is not a line I really like, I'd rather do it after flatting the flop.
yeah i think i agree with this
Mostly I would just bet and if you want to bluff rivers, I'd bet the turn instead of risking it checking through.
i dont really like this because flat flop donk turn doesnt really give me much fold eq if i want to bluff river
Originally Posted by Arjonius
Think about it from the opponent's perspective, not just yours. What type of player does he have to be, plus what range of hands does he have to hold in order to call (but not re-pop) your flop c/r, and then bet again when you check the turn? Plus having done this, he still has to fold when you shove. This looks like a line for a very specific situation.
oh ive thought this through- one of the badlags that are common at micros. play lots of hands, hate folding to 3bets and love betting IP as soon as theyre checked to. again though, this is making me like flat flop c/r turn big a lot more.