Good to GII w 10s VS a stack under 50 BBs?

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Curious to see what you guys think of GII in a FR game w 10s vs a short stack. Normally, I dont even like to GII with Jacks unless I know the player is really aggresive and wide.

Dont have any stats on the villian but below is pre flop dynamics and his stack size. Essentially what Im asking is does the stack size open up your shipping range?

pokerstars Hand #86831331343: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2012/09/27 21:43:56 ET
Table 'Diotima III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: UTG+1 ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 2: MP ($2 in chips)
Seat 3: HJ ($0.90 in chips)
Seat 4: CO ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 5: BTN ($7.24 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($2 in chips)
Seat 7: BB ($0.94 in chips)
Seat 8: VILLIAN ($0.40 in chips)
HERO : posts small blind $0.01
BB: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Tc Td]

VILLIAN: raises $0.02 to $0.04
5 folds
HERO: raises $0.08 to $0.12
BB: folds
VILLIAN: raises $0.08 to $0.20
HERO: raises $1.80 to $2 and is all-in
VILLIAN: calls $0.20 and is all-in

I mean he only has like 20 BBs. Say he has like 50 BBs is it still an easy call?
 
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wtf is GII? "Get It In"? If so, I have never seen that. If you need to shorten that phrase, use AI(All-In), everyone knows that and it's pretty standard.

As for the play, if he is a true POS short-stacker, then he more than likely has you beat with higher pairs or it will be a race with AK/AQ.

If you're asking if a it would be an easy call for the villain if he started with a 50BB stack with your same all in? Yes, because of how the way shortstackers play. They usually sit and wait for a premium hand, and then work to get it all in then hit and run.
 
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At 50bb I am folding TT to an all in: Even hands like KJ are close to a flip and I would expect to see JJ+, and AQ+ the vast majority of the time. This holds more true after a min raise, re raise all in, or a limp re raise all in.

The only exception would be If I knew this guy was shipping virtually any hand.
 
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yes, easily get this in.. there are no good short stackers at 2nl lol it is def a fish you are prob flipping but you have pot odds to ship.

Also, I have seen GII as get it in
 
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Thats interesting. Ive never heard of shortstacking as a strategy. Sounds kinda gutless but I guess if it works...

I see your point about how its almost a flip vs hands like KJ and that was kind of my reason for posting this thread. Do you think I should have just flatted the EP raise to see a flop?

Thanks for the response btw.
 
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I think you played the hand fine. My only concern would be whether the guy was super nitty, but he was so short stacked that calling his shove was almost mandatory.

Short stacked players try to get in with decent pairs and aces. They essentially are trying to run slightly +ev all ins, and pick up enough anties to stay afloat until they win a flip or two.You will notice that the few winning short stackers attack primarily from late position. If they open up front, I would generally just fold.
 
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yes, easily get this in.. there are no good short stackers at 2nl lol it is def a fish you are prob flipping but you have pot odds to ship.

Thats interesting. Ive never heard of shortstacking as a strategy. Sounds kinda gutless but I guess if it works...

Good shortstackers also tend to be playing like 20+ tables at a time, and are playing short because the decisions are way easier to make. One thing you could do is possibly do a quick check and see how many tables villain is sitting at (if the software allows). For the most part though, I agree that there are very few good shortstackers at 2nl and a great majority of the time they are doing it with 22+ or any two pretty cards. TT is a snapcall for me at these stakes vs. an unknown who has shown no tendency towards nittiness. Obviously this changes after we have some hand history and if the shorty is showing stats of something like 5/5.
 
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