Getting Value out of good hands?

I feel so dumb and was wondering, if it is like this for everyone. If I get anything good, and c-bet it, people just fold. I swear I make more money off of bluffs and stealing blinds than good hands. My good hands only make money off of coolers, and that doesn't really help because I'm in the cooler sometimes as well.

I'm worried maybe I'm doing something wrong with TPTK types of hands and such. I mean I'll c-bet when I hit, and likely c-bet if I miss, but it doesn't seem to matter. I bet probably 60 to 80% of the pot on most plays. Is there really anything I can do to get more out of a good hand other than my pre-flop raise?

I'd like to hear some answers to this question too

GrimlyGrim said:

I feel so dumb and was wondering, if it is like this for everyone. If I get anything good, and c-bet it, people just fold. I swear I make more money off of bluffs and stealing blinds than good hands. My good hands only make money off of coolers, and that doesn't really help because I'm in the cooler sometimes as well.

I'm worried maybe I'm doing something wrong with TPTK types of hands and such. I mean I'll c-bet when I hit, and likely c-bet if I miss, but it doesn't seem to matter. I bet probably 60 to 80% of the pot on most plays. Is there really anything I can do to get more out of a good hand other than my pre-flop raise?

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There is really not much you can do but to rely on your opponents to make mistakes which will pay off when they do.
To improve your chances of making more from your premium hands counts solely on table selection IMO.
Try this thread. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/table-selection-185586/

The only thing you could do is to play in an unexpected way for the strength of your hand. Just keep in mind that even bad players don't want to put alot of chips in a pot with a weak hand.

GrimlyGrim said:

I feel so dumb and was wondering, if it is like this for everyone. If I get anything good, and c-bet it, people just fold. I swear I make more money off of bluffs and stealing blinds than good hands. My good hands only make money off of coolers, and that doesn't really help because I'm in the cooler sometimes as well.

I'm worried maybe I'm doing something wrong with TPTK types of hands and such. I mean I'll c-bet when I hit, and likely c-bet if I miss, but it doesn't seem to matter. I bet probably 60 to 80% of the pot on most plays. Is there really anything I can do to get more out of a good hand other than my pre-flop raise?

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table selection. If you are a Tight Aggressive player look for tables with 25% or higher players per pot and look for the biggest average pots. If you do this trust me, you'll get callers.

This is a very good topic. As stated already table selection can make a big difference but there are also other factors that come into play. A big part of getting value from big hands is when we choose to c bet and why we do it.

When you hit your TPTK do you just automatically c bet for value or do you look at what's on the flop, think about how this flop has hit villains range, check what draws could be there to make sure you size your c bet correctly and think about how villain perceives your range aand how hard your range has hit the flop?

Say we have a tight image and we raise from UTG. A competent laggy player calls us from the button. The flop comes A,K,6r and we c bet as we have hit this flop hard and want to get value from it. How often do you think this flop has hit villains range? Do you really think he will carry on in this hand given your tight range has hit this flop so hard?

This is just one example of a flop that we may want to check to induce a bluff or allow a free card for villain to improve on the turn.

check back TPTK on dry boards more often.

TPTK usually means there is an A,K Q or J.

When you cbet these cards people usually either fold or float 1 street.

When you check back these cards people start value betting worse hands.

It also limits the size of the pot so you dont need to worry too much about sets because you shouldnt be getting much more than 1/3 of your stack in.

Been said before but table selection is key i think, theres a good free program called TableScanner Turbo that i use and find really helpful.

Think about it like this though, what kind of board textures do you cbet your trash with, hoping to take it down on the flop? Paired boards, Dry boards with one face card, Single suited boards etc

If you have AK IP and the flop comes down K22 just check it back, make all the pp's think their good, or make the QJ's AT+'s think their good when they hit on the turn, because you'd be cbetting on this board with all your air in the hope to take it down, and you do this b/c most of the time you do take it down!! So if you go betting this with your AK then you'll just take it down because this is a perfect board to cbet with air.

Hope i worded that well enough, just think in opposites to what you'd do with air i guess.

This might help: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/ak-cbet-not-cbet-186272/

Consider checking the Flop and betting the turn. It could help your table image and mix up your betting pattern.

GrimlyGrim said:

If I get anything good, and c-bet it, people just fold.

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I wish I lived in a world where my pre-flop raises were always called and everyone folded when I bet the flop. Mmmmmm... moneytree.