Getting Max or Minimum Buy in on Cash Game table

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Hi all,
So i have been playing cash games lately and I have been doing the minimum buy in. Simply because with my style of raising, I can lose a lot of money fast if I go higher. I feel though that by only doing minimum I am getting called a lot more by those who have basically junk pre flop because they can cover my stack if I decide to go all in.

I am already a pretty tight player as it is, but if I have something to play with pre flop I do raise at least 3 BBs. With a usual C bet after the flop of about half or 2/3rds the pot so I can get a read on others, depending on what the flop is.

So should I up how much I buy in for? Or do you think there is a different problem all together?
 
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Always the max. U lose value from your good hands buying in short.
 
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Ye buy In for the maximum and top up when you start to get low.. Yes you can save money in cooler pots but we are not playing to not lose we are playing to win the maximum.

By buying in low we aren't able to protect our hands against draws and aren't ever winning the maximum.

Besides you mentioned that "with your style of raising you can go broke fast" What is the difference between losing a bunch of small BI's to losing one big one? Other then it's a little slower..

The problem may be picking bad spots to raise or a leak in your game

Buy in maximum, top up and know when you double up you got the most possible and not be sad you didn't have more in front of you when you stack
 
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Thanks guys, absolutely solid advice. Makes complete sense. I am also sure there is a leak in my game somewhere so I am going to play more and analyze that as well!
 
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Thanks guys, absolutely solid advice. Makes complete sense. I am also sure there is a leak in my game somewhere so I am going to play more and analyze that as well!

I didn't mean leaks in your game game as we all have them I meant at your raising spots specifically since it's what you mentioned being the reason you don't like to buy in deep
 
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Short stacking isn't profitable long-term in games with rake. Buying in for the min is also "capping" your potential as a player. Preflop - you're basically confining yourself to playing only premiums because implied odds are non-existent with small effective stack sizes. Postflop - you'll never really grow as a player because your stack gets committed early.
 
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What I decided on doing is go down in stakes and do max buy in there. I figure this would do two things. Allow me to work on my game a bit more, and get the max buy in at a lower price. I hope that sounds like a better decision.

I am new to online poker and there are so many stats and strategies at my disposal it gets overwhelming at times. Thanks for all the advice!
 
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You absolutely can make a profit playing with a short stack.
-Decisions are simpler because your commitment threshold is lower.
-Most 100bb players will not adjust correctly to your play.
-You often play against a table where 1/2 the players are short anyway.
-You can hit and run profitably or learn to play deeper with other peoples chips.
-IF you are not a winning player you can get more play for your money while you learn.

You should buy in for more when you feel you have a skill edge on your opponents, not when you are first learning so do yourself a favor and ease into playing with a full buy in.
 
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What I decided on doing is go down in stakes and do max buy in there. I figure this would do two things. Allow me to work on my game a bit more, and get the max buy in at a lower price. I hope that sounds like a better decision.

I am new to online poker and there are so many stats and strategies at my disposal it gets overwhelming at times. Thanks for all the advice!

That is the best option for sure. Good luck!


You absolutely can make a profit playing with a short stack.
-Decisions are simpler because your commitment threshold is lower.
-Most 100bb players will not adjust correctly to your play.
-You often play against a table where 1/2 the players are short anyway.
-You can hit and run profitably or learn to play deeper with other peoples chips.
-IF you are not a winning player you can get more play for your money while you learn.

You should buy in for more when you feel you have a skill edge on your opponents, not when you are first learning so do yourself a favor and ease into playing with a full buy in.

While it's true that short stacking reduces the edge better players have on you, it's not enough to make short stacking a good strategy. You also reduce your edge against bad players who have tons of chips and make massive, expensive mistakes.

And you'll only learn to play deeper when you're on the right side of variance (since that's the only time you'll actually be deep), so it'll take you much longer to learn because of the fewer opportunities.

Also, short stacking is really bad in raked games. Even a "good short stacker" will probably just be breaking even in the long term.
 
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I tend to believe if you truly want to get someone out of the hand, you may want to bet at least pot after the flop. Depending on what type of table your playing at it may be costly, so if that is your style you should buy-in for more. I understand the concept of buy-in small, win big, but you become confined to what you can do at a table with a small stack.
 
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I tend to believe if you truly want to get someone out of the hand, you may want to bet at least pot after the flop. Depending on what type of table your playing at it may be costly, so if that is your style you should buy-in for more. I understand the concept of buy-in small, win big, but you become confined to what you can do at a table with a small stack.

betting pot is to much for a standard bet depending on situation chip stack tournament or cash I usually (subject to change) bet a little over 1/2 or 2/3
 
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