Originally Posted by c9h13no3
1) No one studies 5 games as closely as they study 1. You can say you study them equally, but you won't.
2) The play at HORSE tables is generally bad, except for at stakes of like $3/$6+, and then it gets tough pretty fast. Learning to play Razz from the terrible Razz players at low limit HORSE will convince you that you have an edge when you really don't. You'll learn a lot of bad habits, and then get crushed when you move up.
3) It takes longer to see the long run & strengths in one game masks deficiencies in others. You'll win at 3 games, but you'll be bleeding chips in the others (and you won't notice since you're still an overall winner). Separating your results in each game from each other will allow you to accurately judge your skills in each of them. When you're beginning, you need quick feedback, and playing 5 games at once slows the rate in which you get feedback.
4) Importing hands into poker tracker from a mixed game is damn near impossible.
If anything, pick 2 games and play 10K hands of each, with intense study as you go. I'd start with a flop game and a stud game, since its much easier to multi-table them (don't multi-table stud hi & razz together, you'll just get really confused). Learn those two games inside & out, then move to the next two.
I expected 2)
might be one of your reasons. I agree, I probably have a greater confidence in my play of some of the mixed games due to the atrociousness of micro and low limit HORSE players. I also thought of argument 1)
because many pros and books say you can't be experts in all the games (which I agree with), you just become an "expert" in one or two and can play the others well enough to keep your own and adapt to new games.
I didn't think of 3)
, although I don't disagree. It kind of ties in to 2)
. And as far as 4)
, if you mean it's difficult, I don't necessarily think so. As long as you have Hold'em and Omaha Manager and you also have PT Stud (or all the PT programs), it should be doable (albeit expensive for micro players). Although I do agree that you can't follow along as easily because you'd have to switch between programs to follow the progress of hands as it played out.
I will probably follow your advice though, because I do agree with what you're saying. I have 100,000+ hands of NLHE and around 50,000 of LHE outside of mixed games. I'm thinking of moving to PLO and either Stud Hi or Stud 8 (none of which I have significant
experience playing). Limit Omaha 8 and Razz can wait. :-p