Full pot betting

akaRobbo

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See these players now and again who full pot as their standard bet. Quite often they run tables over with their aggression and big pots they create.

Are these players just aggro donks?

Thing is some of them seem to know what they're doing, for example they still 3-bet/4-bet pre really tight and when tilted opponents who are sick of being overrun play back at them pre, they will get paid off fairly easily with their KK and AA.

They're annoying to play against and you need to face pretty big variance, some will often triple barrel full pot with any pair, so most of the time were not even comfortable calling with TPTK by the river, or I certainly am not comfortable.

Chasing draws against them seems tricky since they're betting such large amounts. And in situations when we do raise them, it's pretty obvious that we have them beat, so they can easily fold.

bluff raising them means bluffing off huge amounts as their bet is pot size to begin with.

What do you make of them? How do you choose combat them?

We can slow play I guess... but say you X/c TPTK to the river, then another pot size river bet comes in a pretty wet board, are we happy calling off?

Some aren't stupid, they will choose decent cards pre to play and some even play positionally I've noticed.
 
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Bluffing them not a good way to win.When you get good card dont raise whait for his bet or raise after you go all in.Passif agressif style.Sometime player realize you can play hard and stop raise.
 
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You need to test them to see if they shut down on the turn or river. Don't get fooled into thinking he's aggressive on the flop that he'll be the same on the river. That is how the sucker people into calling them down lightly for stacks. If he doesn't shut down, then play him like a slot machine.
 
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You need to analyze each separately and note precisely what is he doing this with.

Typically this type of player has a positive red line and negative showdown, with total result being from mildly positive to mildly negative depending on how good they are and how well the luck serves them (because if opponents hit a lot they can easily have horrible downswings).

As their strategy is mostly to get people to fold and they fire too much (typically 70% cbet flop), they will usually have problems facing flop raises. So your strategy in position is to raise flop mostly with medium hands, call down (or minraise) with good ones, and fold crap.
 
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You need to analyze each separately and note precisely what is he doing this with.

Typically this type of player has a positive red line and negative showdown, with total result being from mildly positive to mildly negative depending on how good they are and how well the luck serves them (because if opponents hit a lot they can easily have horrible downswings).

As their strategy is mostly to get people to fold and they fire too much (typically 70% cbet flop), they will usually have problems facing flop raises. So your strategy in position is to raise flop mostly with medium hands, call down (or minraise) with good ones, and fold crap.

Hey. I Agree with you post. Question though. What if he noticed your adjustment? Calls down your flop raises. Calls down with your raises on medium hands. Chase draws on your call down and minraises. Sometimes when you play with them youll loose since they are more used to their strategy and you are going out of line on your own strategy.

This is what I think you can do.
He raise preflop, you reraise, he shoves... you fold with medium hands and you call with premiums.

I've noticed that it will be effective if you 3bet his raise preflop with medium or garbage hands. If he shoves, fold. 3 bet also with premium hands preflop. If he shoves, snap call. Ship it! The secret is preflop control/position. You are always the one to act last. He raise preflop, you reraise, he folds. He cannot call your reraise since the pot is big for a cbet. You will always be the last to act :)
 
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Be very careful with your assumptions about his bet sizing. Big bets do NOT mean weak hands. In many games I use pot sized bets, especially when I am playing players that will pay me off with their second best hands, or fold their middle strength hands. If his bet sizing is consistent you need to use his betting patterns to determine how likely you are to be ahead. If he is just mindlessly betting, sure 3bet him or call along with the nuts. Just be sure you are not tilting as a result of his aggressive play. That is what good aggressive players want.
 
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I don't think it's a good idea to bluff in these spots. You might want to try raise them with some strong draw, but I think it's better to just fold and wait for a better spot when you'll have AA. It also depends on how often they play a hand and how often they bet a pot sized bet. You have to be carefull, watch the moves they make and if they something different try to react. Let's say a guy calls instead of raise. You should raise him with any 2 to get informations and take a note. But don't get stressed about this, just sit on a different table if it annoys you.
 
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