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Guys,

After a bit of a break from poker I decided to open an account on iPoker and start to grind as I've had a week off work. I've never played on iPoker before but find the software quite easy to use and manged to multi-table quite well.

Well the week has now finally passed and below are my results!!

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Is this quite normal for iPoker or just variance as I'm now begining to doubt I can succesfully beat these levels!!

Do my stats look ok, can you see any obvious leaks maybe is just a bit of reassurance I'm looking for and it was just a bad week of variance!!!

Any advice would be great :)

Cheers

SB
 
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Stats look good from here, but i guess most of your leaks will not be solvable just by looking at stats.

Post hands of big losing hands which you're unsure of whether your play was good. Dont post obvious ones like AIPF ones, or ones where you call a flop shove with AA on J55 when a maniac shoves over you, just you know, any hands you're unsure of how you played, winners and losers and give as much detail about the opponents as you can.

41k hands in a week probably means you're playing a ton of tables, that is probably a big factor in the small win rate and probably making you play like a robot.
 
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Your playing too tight. There should be a lot more room for everything, VPOP PFR squeeze, 3bet, steal. Also you gave a graph of 41k hands and said "is variance normal" you would need a million hands to have any sort of true idea of your winrate and you already have a solid "estimation" with your EV bb/100 right there. While its okay to play on the tighter side when you feel uncomfortable at a game or stakes, 13/12 means you aren't flatting preflop raises often enough and you are missing tons of +EV spots, in order to improve you need to push the boundaries of playable hands because I guarantee with the ranges you play now, there is room for improvement.
 
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how the **** do you play that many hands in a week on ipoker??

last time I checked there was like 5 20nl fr tables, with waitlists like 10 deep, ipokers a bad place to be if your gonna grind FR btw. There is obv some more traffic at 4nl but further up theres like no FR games, do you have RB??

EDIT: If you dont have RB you need to get yourself on a skin with RB cuz i'd imagine you could have trebled your profits there with 41k hands
 
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Your playing too tight. There should be a lot more room for everything, VPOP PFR squeeze, 3bet, steal. Also you gave a graph of 41k hands and said "is variance normal" you would need a million hands to have any sort of true idea of your winrate and you already have a solid "estimation" with your EV bb/100 right there. While its okay to play on the tighter side at the micros in order to improve you need to push the boundaries of playable hands because I guarantee with the ranges you play now, there is room for improvement.

FYP He's playing 4nl man.

OP, if your a beginner then your stats are solid, I cant pick one thing that you should change tbh....EDIT: You win $ at SD quite a lot, could do with getting that down by maybe value betting rivers thinner, barreling turns in more obv barrel spots when you dont have much to go to sd with, that kinda thing will see you winning about 50% of the time you go to SD. Its an important stat as it means you might not be getting max value from middle pairs on the river and non nut hands that you get to the river with IP, like you have QJ on Qxxxx and its checked to you on the river, typically would you be checking it back there worried about villain having QK,AQ?? Theres times when that would be the right thing to do, but a lot of time where you'll check it back and villain turns over QT that may have called another 30bb on the end.

There's people beating 50 or 100nl on stars with similar stats and playing 24 tables, its not for everyone, its exploitable for sure and you should def widen your ranges and stuff as you move up, but for now, if you are just starting out (i'm kinda thinking your not with that volume) then your playing fine, your a decent amount below ev, not that ev matters, but it shows you might have been running a bit bad.
 
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Your playing too tight.

Not being offensive or anything here but ~14/12 seems like they would be pretty solid stats at FR equivalent of like 21/19 or so at 6max. Take what I say with a grain of salt obviously, as I'm a PLO player primarily.
 
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ok, this is gonna wind a few people up here, but meh, who cares. stats look solid, but I cant get my head around winnings of $13.50 over 42k hands at 4nl. with stats of 14/12 you're only playing premium, right, so surely winnings should be much higher than 0.40BB/100??? Are you finding it difficult to fold premium hands on the flop and after?
Im not getting the low winnings.
 
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he's winning, 14/12 isn't just playing premiums, im sure he opens up in later positions and plays tighter in EP's.

Anyways 42k hands is not very many hands (only a weeks worth for this guys) and if his EV adjusted is at 2BB/100 i'd say thats pretty good myself.

Im also sure that all 4nl players struggle folding hands post-flop but thats a universal leak for 99% of microstakes and small stakes players im sure.

Part of the low winnings will be due to playing too many tables and other leaks, but atleast you're winning and have came to a good place to improve.
 
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sure, he's winning, but not enough imo for playing 14% of hands and raising with 12% of them. and 42k hands is enough to know if you're doing something right or wrong. 2BB/100 EV adjusted is ok, but at 4nl you should be beating the fish for a lot more than that, again imo.
OP, not knocking you mate, as you have solid stats, (way better than my 22/10 etc I play), but Id love you to post some hands so we can see your postflop play, as Im sure theres some leaks there.
 
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raising with 12% of hands is absolutely great for 4nl, infact i wouldnt mind if he raised 10% of them, thats the best strategy in a world where everyone is terrible at poker. Infact people crush every limit of holdem there is with stats like that, its not nitty or anything whatsoever.

Sure a 14/12 style could do better but theres nothing OP is gonna gain from you saying you think he should be doing better, OP has hopefully learnt he's doing better than the field already and is on his way to being a successful TAG, now we just need to find whats going on in hand analysis. Lets face it everyone at 4nl and below are complete fish, theyre not supposed to be beating the games for the 10BB/100 im sure they're beatable, because if that was the case they would move up.
 
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nah, I didnt mean to imply the OP should be doing better re winrate, what i meant is that 14/12 is solid stats to have at 4nl, compared to most of the fish at that level, as hand selection preflop is key. but Im wanting to know what happens postflop with the hands OP is raising with, as he should be winning for a lot more than 0.40BB/100 over 42k hands with a 14/12 style. again, not criticising OP's winnings, just curious as to how he plays postflop. ie raising with AA, scary board on flop, is he slowing down or saying, 'hey, I have AA, I cant be beat', and then getting beat by 2 pair/sets etc.
 
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Lets face it everyone at 4nl and below are complete fish, theyre not supposed to be beating the games for the 10BB/100 im sure they're beatable, because if that was the case they would move up.

99.9% of 4nl are fish, sure. but there are some regs there who are happy to take the easy money of the fish, I know that for a fact, as Im one. not a brag, but Im rolled for 50nl, but Im quite happy to play about at 4nl and make easy money from the fish, as Im mainly a recreational grinder.
 
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Recreational grinder, oxymoron.
 
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I mean I grind, but I only get in 1.5k-2k hands maybe twice a week, but when I play, it might be 8 hours solid, like today. so recreational grinder suits me.
 
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You look kinda fit/foldy to me. You've got the raise & c-bet game figured out, start expanding your postflop game some.

What's your turn c-bet percentage? You should be a little more aggressive since you're fairly tight pre (tight pre is a good thing).
 
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99.9% of 4nl are fish, sure. but there are some regs there who are happy to take the easy money of the fish, I know that for a fact, as Im one. not a brag, but Im rolled for 50nl, but Im quite happy to play about at 4nl and make easy money from the fish, as Im mainly a recreational grinder.

Your bankroll updates on your blog say you have a total of $766 across a few sites, including ftp and ultimatebet (is that not lost money??) Take away the balances of those 2 sites and you have $500ish, which is def not rolled for 50nl, going by whats written in your blog??
 
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Not sure if its helpful but I ran 17vpip/11pfr over 15k hands at 13bb/100 at 4nl. Maybe loosen up a little?
 
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Not really helpful as that's over 15k hands and 17/11 14/12 are essentially the same, just you call more. There is no "right" stats to play at, postflop is where the biggest leaks are.

A tight game we know will beat the microstakes no bother, doesnt matter really if you're a 17/15, 15/13 or 10/8, the main thing is that the gap betwen your vpip/pfr is really close, because having a big gap between them indicates passiveness which is never going to be the path to the riches at microstakes. People dont just sit down at microstakes and decide today im going to make me some money by calling people down a lot. Aggression is key to no limit holdem, and probably all other forms of poker too.
 
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99.9% of 4nl are fish, sure. but there are some regs there who are happy to take the easy money of the fish, I know that for a fact, as Im one. not a brag, but Im rolled for 50nl, but Im quite happy to play about at 4nl and make easy money from the fish, as Im mainly a recreational grinder.

Shark ITT :)
 
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Your bankroll updates on your blog say you have a total of $766 across a few sites, including ftp and ultimatebet (is that not lost money??) Take away the balances of those 2 sites and you have $500ish, which is def not rolled for 50nl, going by whats written in your blog??

wow, nice of you to read my blog, didnt realise I had a reader. well, Im pretty confident of FTP coming back this year, so I'll get my money back there, and as for UB, Ive got no problem withdrawing my money from there as there is a method of withdrawing that works.
even without those two Ive still got almost $550, and in my book that allows me shots at 50nl if I so wish. 20 buy-ins at 25nl, and a shot at 50nl.
peelo, for someone who hates me like you do, you show a lot of interest in me, reading my blog etc, how come? I pretty much ignore all the shit you and your cash thread buddies write, thought it was the same the other way.
 
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