FR advice plz

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Ducky and Acky looking for your input here lol. ive decided that i want to have a good fullring game as well as 6max and figure ill pick it up super quickly, would just like to know any major adjustments you think i should be making to my play, as well as opening ranges for the first 3 seats (as im not familiar with these and can just use 6max opening ranges for the other seats)
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thinking something like
UTG: TT+ AQs+ AKo
UTG+1: add 88, 99, AQo
UTG+2: add all PPs, AJs

note that id add in some suited connectors etc in these positions for widening my range at higher levels, but do not deem this necessary for micros
 
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also is this standard vs unknown FR? or should i assume hes only 4bing AA and KK?

pokerstars Hand #84255723892: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2012/08/04 13:46:18 AEST [2012/08/03 23:46:18 ET]
Table 'Hypsipyle II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Bozo_Fat_Joe ($23.09 in chips)
Seat 2: MrBangkok ($33.02 in chips)
Seat 3: Purgemy ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 6: djmimo3272 ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Micha_2826 ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: jchoop ($27.37 in chips)
jchoop: posts small blind $0.10
Bozo_Fat_Joe: posts big blind $0.25
liangxiaohu: sits out
KarlozAL19: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [As Kh]
MrBangkok: folds
Purgemy: folds
djmimo3272: folds
Micha_2826: raises $0.37 to $0.62
jchoop: raises $1.63 to $2.25
Bozo_Fat_Joe: folds
Micha_2826: raises $3.75 to $6
jchoop: raises $5.25 to $11.25
Micha_2826: raises $13.75 to $25 and is all-in
jchoop: calls $13.75
Bozo_Fat_Joe leaves the table
*** FLOP *** [Jh 7s Ad]
*** TURN *** [Jh 7s Ad] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 7s Ad 2s] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jchoop: shows [As Kh] (a pair of Aces)
Micha_2826: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
jchoop collected $48.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.25 | Rake $2
Board [Jh 7s Ad 2s 4d]
Seat 1: Bozo_Fat_Joe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MrBangkok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Purgemy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: djmimo3272 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Micha_2826 (button) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: jchoop (small blind) showed [As Kh] and won ($48.25) with a pair of Aces
 
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4bets are generally pretty strong at FR, i tend to flat AK here oop, he'll usually fold like AQ AJ etc to a 3bet, and 4bet a lot that we're flipping or worse vs, QQ+

There'll be plenty of boards we can c/r on and we could get like 2 streets out of AQ on A high boards.

Obv not as good as Acky etc so might be the rong way to think about it, IP i 3bet always as we put ourselves slightly ahead of AK by being the aggressor and he might spaz out and flat AQ oop etc

EDIT: kinda worded the first line a bit weird, what im getting at is that by flatting here we keep his range at its widest :)
 
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I think the ranges you said look pretty solid. Just have a reason to open a hand like AJ before you open it, just like a 6max AJ should be a fold UTG a lot too, look whos behind and where the fish are etc etc. Same for pocket pairs below TT, if there are fish who are going to pay when you hit, and no good regs or people going to give you any trouble i.e. calling IP a lot and floating,raising etc then you can just open all pocket pairs from UTG, but yeah generally i'm folding all the small ones too unless i have a reason to open them all.

hand above looks standard really, why do you do this small 5bet thing? It's never a bluff so you may as well just ship it once he 4bets. Cant read the HH very well cause im hungover like a bitch but i think you're in a btn-blinds spot...yeah more regs than not gonna be 4betting AK themselves here so it's fine.

Peels why do you 3bet AK IP but not OOP here? Not 3betting AK here seems pretty bad peels? If you're not 3betting AK here then people with brains are going to find it really easy to exploit that, also AK is the best hand we kind of have to 3bet here, people are going to be calling 3bets with AJ,AQ etc and we will crush them, it's also a great hand to 5bet shove (lots of value from when they 4bet and fold, never in bad shape when called.. generally)

apart from obvious CO-BTN spots and MP-BTN spots etc vs guys who are gonna call with worse or 4bet too much, it's quite standard to flat AK when an EP reg opens if we're in IP, if you always 3bet IP i'd imagine you get into a lot of tricky spots when EP guys call or 4bet you.


edit: don't think you'll really need to change much else i think you'll be fine from the offset really, just get used to having more 14/12 type guys than 20/16's at the table, enjoy more crazy fish :)
 
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as far as i can tell so far, FR is actually looser than 6m believe it or not. ive played 25NL FR for errrr 10hrs (lol) today to work it out.... up a solid $45 lmfao oh well nice to profit while im learning. point of the story is that while the table vpip/players to flop is lower (always goign to be a lower % cos theres more players), the avg pots on most tables are much higher? seems super weird since more agg at 6max should be bigger avg pots. it could just be that people play stronger hands FR therefore bigger pots. from what im seeing so far though its just more noobs lol

as for the small 5b thing, i do it because to a lot of players (read morons), immediately put me on nuts. if i do this and they shove, fine, im calling, same result if i hadve shoved- but if i do this ive seen people fold TT-QQ + AK face up. iono, just seems to work lol
 
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I think its just easier to find fishy FR tables for some reason^
 
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look im all about it haha. apart from ez games, itll be good to play FR so when i get to 50NL you ducky and i can ship stacks back and forth lolol.

that was nearly going to be soon... was up to $850 halfway through my platinum grind. not even gunna tell you what my BR is now lol
 
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haha, good luck thinking you and ducky gonna touch my stacks :D
 
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4bets are generally pretty strong at FR, i tend to flat AK here oop, he'll usually fold like AQ AJ etc to a 3bet, and 4bet a lot that we're flipping or worse vs, QQ+

vs my ~10% 3b range (bigger btn v blinds) unless hes a supernit, i doubt hes folding hands like AQ (in which case im not 3b'ing anyway so w/e)

There'll be plenty of boards we can c/r on and we could get like 2 streets out of AQ on A high boards.

again, vs me, think this is still happening lol, except if i 3b, i can get stacks in

EDIT: kinda worded the first line a bit weird, what im getting at is that by flatting here we keep his range at its widest :)

im so all about the whole keeping his range widest thing... id go so far as to say im the most for flatting premiums to keep ranges wide out of anyone on cc lol. point of the story, i dont think were getting called by worse when opener is OOP, whereas we more likely do when theyre IP, hence i advocate 3bing AK OOP like 100% of the time in blinds vs steals
 
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im so all about the whole keeping his range widest thing... id go so far as to say im the most for flatting premiums to keep ranges wide out of anyone on cc lol. point of the story, i dont think were getting called by worse when opener is OOP, whereas we more likely do when theyre IP, hence i advocate 3bing AK OOP like 100% of the time in blinds vs steals

Yeah this makes sense
 
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