Folding trip aces with Q kicker on the river

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Hi guys I play at poker stars, I can plat TAG or LAG style. Yesterday lost a big hand agaist a TAG player. He was in middle position oppened raised to 75 cents. This was 10-25 cents table 25nl. I re-raised to 2 dollars with AQ ofsuited the flop came AA7 raiwbow he checks I bet $5 he calls. Turn J he checks I checked. At this point I was already outting him on AK beating me ofcourse that's why I checked behing to control the pot size. River K. At this point I though it filled him on the river to a fullhouse AAAKK so he bets 3 thirds of the pot $26 I was really considering folding since tge guy was tight and had a bit stack over $100 in a 25nl table so he must be a good player, but my hand was very strong and considering the fact we both checked the turn and the pot was relatively small I made the call and ofcourse je had the exact hand I was puting him on. I was only glad I dindnt go bust with this hand lost about half my stack $32. My question is how many of you would have folded this hand? This was zoom poker by the way so he had no idea to the fact that I was a LAG player.
 
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...if you say he has no idea you're a LAG, how do you know he's TAG...?

i might get hated for this, but i have my suspicions about zoom manipulating hands/flops to build big pots and big rake.... often 2 players will each have "unfoldable" hands.... such as your example... i try to avoid zoom... i like zoom, but find i lose chips in these exact situations.... and then tilt like crazy!! lol

i still think it was a good call... just a cooler
 
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I think you should put this to hand analysis section in the future.

In this hand imo after you play it very passively, you have no other option on the river than to call. Some would even say you need to raise, but for calling you only need to be correct 25% and his sizing suggest he is not sure if he has the best hand ie. he might be light value betting.
 
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Any ace he is going to bet that river.. The only ace he loses 2 is AQ,AK,AJ... The K and J would play for any Ax... I think you have to make the call.. If he bets the turn.. What do you do call or raise?
 
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A,7 and A,J also beats A,Q. Not just 7,7 J,J K,K. If villain had kings, might have felt not aggressive enough.
 
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Any ace he is going to bet that river.. The only ace he loses 2 is AQ,AK,AJ... The K and J would play for any Ax... I think you have to make the call.. If he bets the turn.. What do you do call or raise?
I would probably just call. Like I said I wansn't sure I had the best hand from the start.
 
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think about it this way: what was he representing? I mean like what could you beat after that call and check on turn? You only beat AT or below. Otherwise you would face AJ, AQ, AK or 77.

I didnt say your call on river was wrong. However think about it in different perspectives would give you more choices in future.
 
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I think you had a tough decision to make. The biggest question is how good do you feel about your reads? If you think you are beat, there is no shame in folding. It might have been Doyle Brunson who said that he would rather make a bad fold than a bad call. The thing about zoom, is that many players only play premium hands, so it is not unusual that his Ax hand beats yours. Unless you have some idea of your opponents playing style, sometimes you just have to give them credit. And I have done it reluctantly, but I have folded sets on wet boards against opponents who tend not to bluff.
 
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The thing about zoom, is that many players only play premium hands,

If you can pick up on that on players (it can be done), then you can exploit that. Case and point.

Playing 10NLH Zoom, I raised in the cutoff, villain called in BB (I have previous history with this particular player and they NEVER NEVER raised - ALWAYS limped any hand they wanted to play).

I had 8c5c and I raised in the cutoff and villain called only in BB. Based on previous history, my hand, if I can make a big hand, should get paid off.

Flop was 4s6s3d, pot was $0.75, he led out for $0.30, I called (I had a gutshot straight draw)
Turn was Ac, pot was now $1.35, he now just check-called my bet of $0.54 (I now have a double gutter).
River was the 7c, pot of $2.43, and I got the straight, he leads for $0.50, and I tanked for a few moments before shoving all-in for 100 more bb's, and he immediately called.

He had Aces, and turned a set but lost. But that's my point, you can win against premium holdings if you know your opponent's tendencies and can exploit them. I knew this person would get married to BIG hands, pre, and post-flop.
 
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Think, you have no option to fold here your `AQ`.
Especially - in Zoom game.
That was an accident for you - that your opponent has `AK`.
So, you lost some.. ok, `sh*y happens` - one day you win, other one you lost.. Life is no ending here !
Future - is shine one !
 
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Board: AA7 J K
Equity Win Tie
MP2 85.16% 84.38% 0.78% { AdQh }
CO 14.84% 14.06% 0.78% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T8s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, T9o, 98o, 87o }

Mega equity edge here and a definite call. If he happened to have the one combo that beat you, them's the breaks.


"At this point I was already outting him on AK beating me ofcourse that's why I checked behing to control the pot size. River K. At this point I though it filled him on the river to a fullhouse AAAKK so he bets 3 thirds of the pot $26 I was really considering folding since tge guy was tight and had a bit stack over $100 in a 25nl table so he must be a good player, but my hand was very strong and considering the fact we both checked the turn and the pot was relatively small I made the call and ofcourse je had the exact hand I was puting him on".

Was this a read, or your just being MUBSy? Since this is Zoom, you're readless here. You got coolered, but that's Poker.
 
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thats an accident so i think most of people will do the same.
so sorry for your lost
 
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by my calculations 3/3rds of the pot would be $14 not $26
 
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