Folding Nutish hands in the micros? (3 hands/examples)
Here are 3 hands i played today in zoom 6max NL2. I know there is a specific thread for hands in cash games etc, but my point is not to find out about how to play these specific hands but to come to a general conclusion.
All players involved holding full stacks of almost 100BB
HJ opens for 3bb and i am calling in the button with 6,7s and BB also calls
Aggressor bets 6bb.
I i raise to 19bb (i figured if he has the overpair hes probably coming over the top cause thats what NL2 players do. the board is fairly dry so it might seem like i have a set if i pot it. doesnt matter anyway because even without a huge raise i can get stacks in by the river.)
HJ calls, BB folds
turn 9 (all 4 cards of different suit now)
i hate this card. i hate it totally and utterly. thats probably why i get to bet a little less than pot. but if hes drawing hes gonna hate it too. (drawing with J10 or QJ pretty frequent to see in the micros so i want to tempt him to continue (even if hes definitely not getting the right price) but i also get to keep overpairs. because when the top card of flop pairs after a re-raise (in micros people are usually raising top pairs) holding 2 kings doesnt seem all that great. but i also get that nice pot i am left with 3/4 pot worth of stack.
i am probably not beat. when people in micros see a raise and they have top 2pair or a set they click back. maybe he has a 9 like 9,10 and he is gonna pay me off. maybe i dont hate that 9 after all.
River Jack. HJ checks
so here i know i am 90% good but despite that i really hated that turn card so i opt to go for a small bet to tempt 10s to call and give myself room to escape if i get shoved on. i tanked before betting 1/3 of my stack.. that would mean like a 1/4-1/3 pot. and i get shoved on.
And it stinks because in zoom micros theres no version of someone check shoving as a bluff. its a value bet. but what kind of value bet really? I can beat almost any 9 apart from j9 (if he had 89 or 5,9 (!) all the money would have been in) i am behind to flopped sets but still in these cases we would have gotten it in on the flop but yeah still a chance he flatted to trap. maybe with 99 so when he got quads he really just let me hang myself. could he be doing that with QQ-AA? nahh not after the 2nd 9 came. but yeah overally we are beat by a lot. and we dont really beat much. only like A9, K9, Q9, 10.9 and i dont even know if we get all the combos of these because who opens an offsuit 10.9 from the HJ? but still its NL2
We have to call .76$ to win a pot of 3.8$ so we are getting some yummy odds
, and still my intention was to fold to a shove to begin with.
ADDED BONUS: dude asked me in the chat if i have a set. dont remember if he did that on the turn (=afraid overpair) or in the river (trying to make believe hes weak) but before i bet he told me he has a draw. i dont really know if hes saying that to make me bet or to make me check (afraid hes strong)
So call or fold? And also whats your opinion on betting small in the river?
i am at the big blind and guy from CO opens for 6c i 3bet to 18c with KK. he clicks back to 38c. i know what you hear about never folding kings but in zoom when its so easy to get good holdings people dont bluff preflop that much. i mean yeah there are many preflop battles between the button and the blinds, and i myself have done some succesful 4bet bluffs. but thats about it with bluffs. zoom is an honest game. so i opt to call cause i still have set mining odds if he has AA and also i want to trap him if he has QQ or AK. basically wether he has aces or not hes only continuing with aces if i 5bet. so i flat. 10 high flop... check, small bet and i raise... well i said i had set mining options and stuff but at that point i was like "lets get value from QQ and JJ. he flats, turn is J (2nd worst card after a Q) and i shove my last 3/4 pot. and get snapped by aces. are you ever folding to a 4bet (excluding button vs blinds , or blind vs blind situations) or even just play kings at that point as if they were 99? (set mine and pray)
HAND 3: im in the small blind with 3,4s i wait for my turn to fold or raise the BB. middle position min opens and another dude on the button calls. i know BB is also going to call, so even if i have a hand that plays better in position and its not even that good of a suited connector (too low) i opt to call since im getting great odds. BB calls
FLOP: AQ10 with a club flush draw for me. i love this flop. because theres may combos of 2pairs in this 4way pot and if they go trapping and stuff they will get trapped themselves. so everyone checks to the button who bets a ridiculous small amount.. like a 4th of the pot. so i call and everyone else calls.
Turn is a blank and we see again the same thing. everyone checks and button bets a ridiculous 1/4th pot. i call and the original raisor min-raises. button calls i call and the river completes my flush. i check and the bettor bets a little more than half a pot.. around 2/3. dealer calls and i raise it 4.2X and get a nice 3bet from the bettor. dealer folds and i am there to act. theres i have to call 90c to win a pot of 3,8$. would he take that line with a set? i dont think so. would he take that line with a straight? not sure. but i have the lowest possible flush so even 56s beats me but the question is "does he have the flush?"
So overally i had a straight, a flush and pocket kings. In all case my holding has significant value even if its not the nuts. the odds im getting for my money are pretty good, but against a solid opponent all the previews ones (with the exception of the KK situation are easy to get away) but do you find the hero fold with all those idiots playing NL2 zoom? i once donk pot, donk pot, donk shoved with a set that got to be a full house by the river, a flush draw came a straight draw came and the idiot who donated his money had a slight overpair. and i see stuff like that every day. but even if people there make extreme mistakes with not folding enough they dont go too far with overvaluing hands when there are flush draws or something scary on the board. and zoom poker tends to be more nitty nevertheless... so i want your opinions and any advice would be helpful. is it more profitable to go for simple cash games and multitable to get the same value or is there profit to be made from zoom as well?