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mottotom27
Rock Star
Silver Level
I understand that KK is the second best preflop hand and in most cases i will happily call of my stack with it. But there are certain, specific situations where I find when I do so I am almost always up against AA. Here are two cases:
1) I raise with KK from EP and a guy (let's call him Mr Nit) playing 10/8 with a 3B of around 2% re-raises me. I make a 2.5x 4bet and he then (min) 5 bets me.
2) Mr Nit opens from EP, I re-raise from a later position. Folds round to Mr Nit who (often after tanking for a short while) puts in a (small) 4 bet.
In the past I have always got it in with KK in these spots but since I cannot recall a time where I have been up against anything worse than KK, I am now questioning whether it is correct to stack off here. Here is my reasoning for the two above cases:
1) The nit has a low 3B stat which is already a narrow range of hands. The 3B vs my EP raise shows a ton of strength. The min 5 bet especially is a bit of a tell that they have AA.
2) When the nit opens from EP and I 3 bet him, there is a tendency at micros for most nits to just call the 3 bet with a hand like QQ. So when he 4 bets me (especially after tanking) he is representing that he has the goods.
Obviously if instead of the positions above, it was button vs blinds or CO vs BTN etc, then I would get in KK every time against the nit, but due to the nature of the POSITIONS in the above examples (at least one of us in EP) I find I am getting it in bad with KK almost always (in fact I cannot recall a time when the nit has shown QQ/AK in these spots). It would be interesting to hear what everyone else does in these situations...am I just getting unlucky over my sample or should I be making big folds in these spots?
1) I raise with KK from EP and a guy (let's call him Mr Nit) playing 10/8 with a 3B of around 2% re-raises me. I make a 2.5x 4bet and he then (min) 5 bets me.
2) Mr Nit opens from EP, I re-raise from a later position. Folds round to Mr Nit who (often after tanking for a short while) puts in a (small) 4 bet.
In the past I have always got it in with KK in these spots but since I cannot recall a time where I have been up against anything worse than KK, I am now questioning whether it is correct to stack off here. Here is my reasoning for the two above cases:
1) The nit has a low 3B stat which is already a narrow range of hands. The 3B vs my EP raise shows a ton of strength. The min 5 bet especially is a bit of a tell that they have AA.
2) When the nit opens from EP and I 3 bet him, there is a tendency at micros for most nits to just call the 3 bet with a hand like QQ. So when he 4 bets me (especially after tanking) he is representing that he has the goods.
Obviously if instead of the positions above, it was button vs blinds or CO vs BTN etc, then I would get in KK every time against the nit, but due to the nature of the POSITIONS in the above examples (at least one of us in EP) I find I am getting it in bad with KK almost always (in fact I cannot recall a time when the nit has shown QQ/AK in these spots). It would be interesting to hear what everyone else does in these situations...am I just getting unlucky over my sample or should I be making big folds in these spots?