Folding 55 to two all ins with 4 left in tourny

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I was in big blind (2K) and the button goes all in with 10K small blind instacalls for 6k. And im holding 55. I had chip lead with 14K and one other player had 9K. Was i right to fold? The button had A4 off suit. the small blind had AJ suited. So i just felt like i was ahead but would lose. Especially with the instcall. The A4 hit fours for the only pair. I would have won. But..... HELP..
 
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Could have gone either way....what you had was the classic coinflip. Anytime that you have something like 5s and someone calls with AK AQ AJ, it's pretty much even at the flop. It's a matter of what you want to do...but you had to believe at least ONE of those two people had a bigger pair than you...if not....they BOTH had ace and a higher kicker than a 5.

I don't know what those odds are..but they'd have made things worse....I think you did the right thing.
 
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Good fold, don't let the RESULTS of the hand sway you. It was just as likely someone turns over a higher pair and you lose in this situation.
 
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Just think about it... you lost with AT twice here, so next time you're bound to win... right?
 
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I'll fold in that situation 90% of the time. With only 4 left, there's a good chance of one of them being eliminated. That will presumably move you up in the money. No need to risk your chips here.
 
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Excellent fold. Seriously. Unless their hands counterfeit each other you are, at best, facing 4 overcards. With any 2 cards a player is 3-1 to hit one on the flop. Granted, the guy with A4 was taking a huge gamble and you actually were in better shape than you had any right to expect...so, you're fold, imo, was correct.

In a ST SNG today (5 players left) I raised 55 from the CO. Got a re-raise and a re-reraise allin. I was just shy of my pushing stack size so I folded and watched 99 and JJ battle it out. Unless you're in pushbot mode 55 is just not a hand to call 2 all-ins with. Even then, I'd want to be the first one allin.
 
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as daniel said
The most important reason why it’s dangerous to risk all your chips pre-flop is that you simply can’t be certain that you are even in a coin flip situation at that time.

You could actually be a much bigger underdog than that. Say you’re playing pocket sixes against a higher pair, like 9-9. The outlook is dismal in this situation as you would have just a 19% chance to win the pot. That’s not a coin flip; you’re a 4-to-1 underdog!

You see, even a lowly starting hand like pocket sixes is a favorite against a seemingly strong hand like A-K. But the real problem with playing the sixes is that you’re banking on the best case outcome to win the pot before the flop. Either you’re in a coin flip as a small favorite or you’re a massive underdog against a bigger pair.

Rookies often make this mistake. They’ll overplay these hands before the flop by calling big all-in bets, or even worse, they’ll reraise all-in.

Professionals, on the other hand, dread the idea of shoving all their chips into the pot in coin flip situations. Once they push their chips in, they understand that skill is no longer a factor. Instead, they’re simply at the mercy of Lady Luck.

That’s why pros wait to take their chances with coin flips until after the flop.

It’s often said that to win a poker tournament you have to win your fair share of coin flips. That’s true. But it’s not often mentioned that you can choose when to do your gambling. You’ll be much safer to delay moving all-in until after the flop, especially if you hit a two-way draw like a straight and flush draw, a pair and a draw, or a draw and overcards.

Okay, say you hold 4h-6h and the flop comes Jh-6d-3h giving you a pair and a flush draw. It’s impossible to be drawing dead against your opponent in this situation. If he has three-of-a-kind, you can still hit your flush. And if he’s on a better flush draw, well, you’re still in the lead with a pair of sixes.

This is the kind of situation where you can gamble aggressively because you can’t be a massive underdog. Even if your opponent holds As-Ad, you’d still be the favorite with a 51.6% chance to win. If he has Ah-Kh for the better flush draw, you’d be favored to win a little over 52% of the time. And in the worst possible case, if he has three jacks, you’d still manage to win the pot 30% of the time.

Do what the pros do and wait until after the flop to try to win a race. That way you can be fairly certain that you’re in no worse shape than a coin flip situation. Also, by playing aggressively after the flop, you might actually force your opponent to fold his stronger hand, thus winning the pot without even having to see the next two cards.:) :) :)
 
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you were chip leader you said right? let these two battle it out. i would lay down most hands here just to get rid of one opponent and move up in money. like they said, dont let the results affect your play. its more important to get rid of one person here than it is for you to risk your chips. if you lose your the short stack and thats not where you want to be or have to be.
 
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You were correct because you were going against 3 players..just think the best case scenario if it was one player would be he had over cards and you had coin flip situation....throw in another player and your in worse shape....yes your winning before the flop but odds are way against you winning
 
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i think u were right because calling with a weak pair more then a half of your chips is too risky,even if u think that the other guy is bluffing..
 
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its a good fold if u ask me , its a too weak pair to go allin against 2 ppl
 
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The right bet (IMHO) would have been to push ahead of the BB.

I would have.


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