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josealejocl

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Hi, this is a hand i playedin NL 25. I wanted to play some hands here (i usually play in NL5) and with some hands like this a some dollars lost i decided to return to NL5.

The hand is vs a a 20/14, i don't knwo why i didn't raise preflop, i think i saw him a bit nit.

I just have 400 hands of the guy, so the posflop stats don't work. I didn't like the bet in the river.

The hand is this

NL25, pokerstars.

Hero (BTN): $11.19 (44.8 bb)
SB: $22.40 (89.6 bb)
BB: $10 (40 bb)
UTG: $23.54 (94.2 bb)
MP: $25.89 (103.6 bb)
CO: $18.99 (76 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with :ac4: :jc4:

UTG raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.70, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.75) :3d4: :10c4: :js4: (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.75) :6h4:

UTG bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

River: ($7.15) :5d4: (2 players)
UTG bets $6.10, Hero ???

What should i do?
 
BluffMeAllIn

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Hmm, personally id call. He might not be bluffing but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a worse jack, granted you could easily be beat but given you didn't attempt to gain any information at any point (by raising, lets say the flop) then you really can't determine where he stands other than he is applying max pressure.

Just my thoughts but with how you played out the hand I would be calling the river here given he could even have a QJ or KJ and with how you played is maybe putting you on a KQ draw possibly. Just my thoughts however, as you should have raised the flop for more info, or possibly even a 3-bet pre and fold to a 4-bet.

He might also be playing the fact of your short stack and applying the max pressure on assumption you are probably playing a shot at 25nl.
 
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i'd call, 400 hands is plenty!
 
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id side on a call,lot of hands u r beating,ak,aq,kq,88,99,etc
 
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20/14 = snap fold

Hands that play (+ size) this way that beat you: 33/66/TT/JJ/JT/QQ/KK/AA

Hands that play this way that you beat: . . . ermm . . . ehhmmm . . . he could have . . . yuuuuuuuck . . .

You are pretty much crushed here almost all the time. I don't expect a 20/14 to triple barrel air after getting called twice on a super dry board when the river brings him no more fold equity. Couple that with the fact that his worse J's might not even triple and even if they do, they certainly aren't doing so for this size. You have a pretty clear fold on your hands.
 
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I would fold. There are too many things that can beat you. Also AJ is not really a good raising hand. You will lose more money than you win with it. If you hit your ace then what? You could be out kicked by AK or AQ. I would limp and try to hit a straight or two pair. The raiser in your situation is either bluffing or has a big hand.
 
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I think that was always put in River, but you could also see I take a raise on the turn to see how our villain played.
To see if you only paid or reraised.
To see that So strong was his hand.
So as that development was that hand always call at the most sure River.
 
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his big bet on the river is interesting, i think he's either really really strong here or bluffing with complete air when he puts you nearly all in with his river bet, personally i'd be inclined to fold with his stats but its a tough spot
 
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20/14 = snap fold

Hands that play (+ size) this way that beat you: 33/66/TT/JJ/JT/QQ/KK/AA

Hands that play this way that you beat: . . . ermm . . . ehhmmm . . . he could have . . . yuuuuuuuck . . .

You are pretty much crushed here almost all the time. I don't expect a 20/14 to triple barrel air after getting called twice on a super dry board when the river brings him no more fold equity. Couple that with the fact that his worse J's might not even triple and even if they do, they certainly aren't doing so for this size. You have a pretty clear fold on your hands.

i aggree ... but the risk warrants it .. unless you have Player statistics so you'll know if you only play very tight or is anyone donker
 
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I'm folding as well, but agreeing that you should have raised at some point (maybe on the flop) especially since you were in position. To get a better idea of where your opponent was in the hand
 
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Depending on the time waited between the bets, I would potentialy fold not due to the the straight that may be there, but fear of a pocket pair to complete the trips. Other than that id call if I had the chips and the timing of the bets if it was right. ?. Cheers
 
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Hmmm... i would fold there at the river... cause by the nature of rises probably he has a pocket hand with him and he might have hit a trips too... All these assumptions based on the style he was betting...felt like slowly drawing you into the trap...
On the other hand he might be working on bluffing you bu making you think the same i mentioned in above line.
So bottom line is u first need to have a good read on him to support ur call.
 
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