Fold AA

#1 July 21st, 2020, 6:43 PM

whould you pocket AA pre-flop ?
If you do? In what situations would it be?
Good hands

#2 July 21st, 2020, 6:51 PM

Have another for me Bro.

#3 July 21st, 2020, 7:06 PM

You ll never seen i do this play

#4 July 21st, 2020, 7:31 PM

Why would you fold AA preflop in cash game? What action before your turn will make you think that youre not in a good position to put your money in?

#5 July 21st, 2020, 8:07 PM

There simply can’t be a pre-flop situation where I fold an AA pair. The best starting card in holdem, even if everyone goes all-in, is still the most likely to win the pot.
More specifically, you can drop Aces in a single situation, if you are in a satellite tournament and have enough chips to get in from the satellite, it makes no sense to force the AA pair because I do it on a 100 starting satellite if the first 20 get tickets then it it doesn't matter if you get it as the chip leader or with the 20th most chips. This is the only situation where I would throw an AA pair.

#6 July 21st, 2020, 8:54 PM

I might in PLO if I'm in early position at a loose table, which is pretty much the only time I get AA. I say that because against more than one player I lose 70-80% of hands w/ AA in that game.

In NLHE I would not fold them pre-flop.

#7 July 21st, 2020, 9:59 PM

I think that I will throw out AA without pity in an important tournament if more than one player enters the all-in.

#8 July 22nd, 2020, 4:29 PM

NEVER ! I have ben lose with AA but stil ...

#9 July 22nd, 2020, 4:46 PM

Originally Posted by DanyDiablo

whould you pocket AA pre-flop ?
If you do? In what situations would it be?
Good hands

In the bubble of satellite game where i am guaranteed a ticket.

#10 July 22nd, 2020, 4:57 PM

I fold AA when playing at the final table of the tournament and I had a short stack. Climbed 1 step higher ))

#11 July 22nd, 2020, 5:00 PM

Yes I have folded AA preflop, because I either timed out or misclicked. I have also done it in poker satellite tournaments, when I already had enough chips to win a ticket for the target tournament. In that situation additional chips have no value, so there is no point in taking any risk at all.

#12 July 22nd, 2020, 5:02 PM

Don't recall ever folding AA before the flop. If anything I would raise and see who calls and go from there. As they say if you are feeling froggy then leap but to hold AA pre flop --No reason to do so.

GL ALL ! Fold AA

#13 July 22nd, 2020, 5:36 PM

Personally, I can not imagine such situations. I would never fold my pocket aces.

#14 July 22nd, 2020, 7:37 PM

Never hehehe I have never folded AA preflop unless it is by accident not even on bubble or FT pay-jump I think if you fold Aces preflop simply you're playing bad poker if you lose then it wasn't you tourney cause the best is to get such a perfect hand on final levels and even better put it all in preflop for the best chance of doubling your stack and fight for the title is just awesome

#15 July 24th, 2020, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by MishkaZL

Personally, I can not imagine such situations. I would never fold my pocket aces.

Hahah me neither bro ..
I dont think i would fold AA omg
Its really hard to got one ... but fold With this Hand r eally depends What is happening in The table.

#16 July 24th, 2020, 8:08 PM

those cards in first position I open the pot or throw all in. To prevent the Limpers from entering

#17 July 24th, 2020, 10:25 PM

The only possible situation that I could even imagine folding A-A pre-flop is on the bubble and even then I would have to be looking at multiple all-ins in front of me. Then I might I consider folding A-A only because of how many times I've seen three or four way all-in situations in which you know the weakest hand is going to win after some ridiculous run out. That is really the only time I might consider folding aces pre-flop, and then only maybe.

#18 July 24th, 2020, 10:47 PM

I never throw AA. preflop.
However, I wondered if there was a situation when I dropped it, and yes it is.
In a bubble, many players have less than 1 bb in chips, I have the smallest stack at the table (4bb or more).
So it is almost guaranteed that I will reach ITM in the next 1-2 hands.

#19 July 25th, 2020, 12:37 PM

I would have done so only in 1 case, if there were 1 person left before getting into the prizes.

#20 July 25th, 2020, 12:43 PM

All in pre-flop is always the best bet if you want to minimize the risk of Losing the hand.

#21 July 25th, 2020, 12:50 PM

I personally will not fold in any situation with AA in my hand. I try to bet a lot before the flop to exclude a street from the opponent. But if you're already folding AA, you better stop playing poker. But that's my opinion Fold AA

. And yes i know you often lose with AA, but i will never fold.

#22 July 25th, 2020, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by PINOY

In the bubble of satellite game where i am guaranteed a ticket.

Exactly! I did it once and it saved me from losing the ticket.

#23 July 25th, 2020, 10:42 PM

In a cash game (which is the thread) it would never be appropriate to fold AA pre flop.

However in some rare tournament situations with very serious ICM implications it could become a fold.

An example of this would be in a satellite where top 100 get a ticket it could become very reasonable to fold AA to a pre flop jam near the bubble.

#24 August 11th, 2020, 3:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rowdy Greg

I might in PLO if I'm in early position at a loose table, which is pretty much the only time I get AA. I say that because against more than one player I lose 70-80% of hands w/ AA in that game.

In NLHE I would not fold them pre-flop.

Aces in PLO are vastly different than in Hold'em, and to take it one step further, not all Aces in PLO are equal. AAKK double-suited is a MUCH better hand than AA72 rainbow.

So you would never fold them pre-flop if on the bubble of a satellite to a larger tournament where your seat is secure if you fold, but you risk busting on the bubble?????

Originally Posted by frost234

I fold AA when playing at the final table of the tournament and I had a short stack. Climbed 1 step higher ))

It sounds like you might have been playing outside your bankroll perhaps??? If I'm at the final table of a tournament, I'm so close to winning the tournament, and I'm getting my chips in because I want to win more than cashing at the current place in the tournament.

Originally Posted by Rosxana13

Never hehehe I have never folded AA preflop unless it is by accident not even on bubble or FT pay-jump I think if you fold Aces preflop simply you're playing bad poker if you lose then it wasn't you tourney cause the best is to get such a perfect hand on final levels and even better put it all in preflop for the best chance of doubling your stack and fight for the title is just awesome

Agree with you EXCEPT for the situation above where I discussed bubble play on a satellite. If you are willing to risk your winning a seat to a larger tournament, THAT'S bad Poker strategy.

#25 August 11th, 2020, 4:30 AM

Originally Posted by DanyDiablo

whould you pocket AA pre-flop ?
If you do? In what situations would it be?
Good hands

At pokerstar, I'd think about it a lot. Many times I have lost to AA on that platform. There you have to see who enters and how many chips he has. The program tends to favor chip leaders and AA is no guarantee of anything. Be happy! Fold AA

#26 August 11th, 2020, 4:36 AM

Originally Posted by DanyDiablo

whould you pocket AA pre-flop ?
If you do? In what situations would it be?
Good hands

In a cash game you would never fold AA preflop. If you have multi players post flop and are OOP, I would fold to a coordinated flop that villain's may connect with. Remember, the more players that see the flop the less equity you have, hence the saying you may win a little or lose a lot.

#27 August 11th, 2020, 5:09 AM

Originally Posted by MishkaZL

Personally, I can not imagine such situations. I would never fold my pocket aces.

I like how under your screen name you are labeled as "Visionary" and your reply indicates that you simply cannot envision a scenario where you would fold AA preflop when there clearly are situations where that would be a wise thing to do lol...

#28 August 11th, 2020, 5:51 AM

I would never withdraw from such a strong hand on pre-flop, in fact I would without hesitation bet my entire bankroll on that hand Fold AA

#29 August 11th, 2020, 6:09 AM

I play cash games, so of course not.
Quite a strange question, apparently you do not have enough experience in the game if you ask it. These are basic things.

#30 August 11th, 2020, 7:34 AM

Originally Posted by frost234

I fold AA when playing at the final table of the tournament and I had a short stack. Climbed 1 step higher ))

Not sure if this was a joke I would never fold in a
situation as the short stack unless the money was substantial like 1000s as the short stack you desperately need a double up so the passing up the chance of a triple up if there was two or more all ins before me would be a mistake in my opinion yes you could bust out but I'd take this spot every single time not sure many would pass this up

#31 August 11th, 2020, 8:48 AM

Originally Posted by Fivefor

I like how under your screen name you are labeled as "Visionary" and your reply indicates that you simply cannot envision a scenario where you would fold AA preflop when there clearly are situations where that would be a wise thing to do lol...

..... it is really hard for me to predict such a situation .... probably because I have little experience .... so far.

#32 August 11th, 2020, 8:51 AM

Only if I get timed out would AA be folded pre flop

#33 August 11th, 2020, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by sanych

I play cash games, so of course not.
Quite a strange question, apparently you do not have enough experience in the game if you ask it. These are basic things.

If you're strictly a cash game player, it would be an odd question, but clearly, you don't have experience in playing satellite tournaments based on your remark. That's common sense that folding AA pre-flop on the bubble of a satellite tournament, where you have absolute nothing to gain, but could risk losing out on the prize. Here's a scenario.

26 people left, 25 spots win a seat to a bigger buyin tournament. You are 15th in chips, so comfortably in a spot to win, and the short stacks left are going to be all-in in the upcoming orbit. You are seated at a table (full ring) with 2 of the top chip stacks at your table, and you have 2 people that are on life support to win. You get dealt Aces pre-flop, the big stack (who has you covered) shoves pre-flop, are you SERIOUSLY going to call and risk losing? Sure, you're 80% against all pocket pairs, but are you going to risk losing 20% of the time to win a seat where your probability of winning is 99%?

Do the math, it would be a terrible call to make, and to quote you "This is a basic things".

#34 August 11th, 2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by DanyDiablo

whould you pocket AA pre-flop ?
If you do? In what situations would it be?
Good hands

Preflop i would only fold in 2 cases .
1 If I'm in a satellite and I am already qualified , there is no point in playing the hand and it's an easy fold .
2 If i have like 1 or 2 big blinds and I'm on the bubble , and i can make it into the money by folding . Because if I double my stack it doesn't matter to much because i will still be a super short stack with 5 blinds maximum , but the min cash is more important in my opinion .

#35 August 11th, 2020, 12:46 PM

I had a situation where I folded pocket aces near the bubble knowing I have enough chips to make it in the money and thankfully I'm glad I did as other players were at showdown where one player hit his trips with 6 6. Any other time i dont fold pocket aces.

#36 August 11th, 2020, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Shumkoolie

If you're strictly a cash game player, it would be an odd question, but clearly, you don't have experience in playing satellite tournaments based on your remark. That's common sense that folding AA pre-flop on the bubble of a satellite tournament, where you have absolute nothing to gain, but could risk losing out on the prize. Here's a scenario.

26 people left, 25 spots win a seat to a bigger buyin tournament. You are 15th in chips, so comfortably in a spot to win, and the short stacks left are going to be all-in in the upcoming orbit. You are seated at a table (full ring) with 2 of the top chip stacks at your table, and you have 2 people that are on life support to win. You get dealt Aces pre-flop, the big stack (who has you covered) shoves pre-flop, are you SERIOUSLY going to call and risk losing? Sure, you're 80% against all pocket pairs, but are you going to risk losing 20% of the time to win a seat where your probability of winning is 99%?

Do the math, it would be a terrible call to make, and to quote you "This is a basic things".

We did not consider satellites and tournament poker, the question about the AA hand was asked in the Cash Game section, look more closely

#37 August 11th, 2020, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shumkoolie

Aces in PLO are vastly different than in Hold'em, and to take it one step further, not all Aces in PLO are equal. AAKK double-suited is a MUCH better hand than AA72 rainbow.

So you would never fold them pre-flop if on the bubble of a satellite to a larger tournament where your seat is secure if you fold, but you risk busting on the bubble????

Good point - if my seat were completely secure I would fold, BUT, that's a really unlikely scenario to be in a situation where your seat is guaranteed.

AAKK in PLO double suited - I wish!

#38 August 11th, 2020, 4:23 PM

ARE YOU CRAZY? never jump

#39 August 11th, 2020, 4:47 PM

I did it many times in early games, not knowing each people how they play and many other factors made me think it shouldn't be a smart move to go all in in a big tournament that has just started. Ofc there are other scenarios but for me this one that I told you is the most important. Also in the bubble, it can be harsh playing aces. Haha

#40 August 11th, 2020, 5:31 PM

In a cash game, two aces do not fold pre-flop. There is no reason for doing that.
This way of asking the question is appropriate in tournament poker.

#41 August 11th, 2020, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by ronn6583

In a cash game, two aces do not fold pre-flop. There is no reason for doing that.
This way of asking the question is appropriate in tournament poker.

This. Game-based theory would suggest there are 0 times when it's a winning strategy to fold aces pre. Of course if 8 people go all in before you it's going to be a crazy hand and your chances of winning are lower with every person that is in the pot but you are still the favourite Fold AA

#42 August 11th, 2020, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by sanych

We did not consider satellites and tournament poker, the question about the AA hand was asked in the Cash Game section, look more closely

I did see where it was posted, and I agreed with not folding Aces pre-flop in a cash game. There's absolutely no instance where doing that is sound strategy. But, asking alone in a cash game for the purposes of discussion makes for a really dull thread, so why not expand it to tournament situations, where the answers are more variable.

I do have a cash game situation for you though. Remember the Loose Cannon in the PokerStars Big Game where he was up $140k and he said he was going to fold every single hand pre-flop to lock up his winnings? Well, he got dealt Aces pre, and folded, and GOOD thing too, because Phil Laak would have busted him when he flopped Quads.

Here's the video - hopefully you can see it.

You Tube

What do you think of that play? In a regular cash game, NEVER, but this is a unique situation, being on TV, playing in a once in a lifetime game, UP $140k, which for me at least, is BIG money. I don't blame him for folding, though he did get his share of people saying he shouldn't have folded, regardless of the results, because remember that you can't be results oriented.

Originally Posted by Rowdy Greg

Good point - if my seat were completely secure I would fold, BUT, that's a really unlikely scenario to be in a situation where your seat is guaranteed.

AAKK in PLO double suited - I wish!

If you play enough satellites, you'll see this situation, where you get Queens, Kings, Aces, and you are in a situation similar, and the strategy of folding in that spot pre wod still apply.

LOL!!! AAKK double suited in PLO sucks after 3 callers, and the flop is 3 unders, with a flush draw, and it's not either of your suits.

#43 August 11th, 2020, 6:24 PM

I could never fold AA preflop. That would make me sad. Fold AA

#44 August 11th, 2020, 6:38 PM

The only situation for me to fold a AA pre-flop would be on the satellite with the guaranteed spot.

#45 August 11th, 2020, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shumkoolie

I do have a cash game situation for you though. Remember the Loose Cannon in the PokerStars Big Game where he was up $140k and he said he was going to fold every single hand pre-flop to lock up his winnings? Well, he got dealt Aces pre, and folded, and GOOD thing too, because Phil Laak would have busted him when he flopped Quads.

Here's the video - hopefully you can see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwCOOnA4vk

What do you think of that play? In a regular cash game, NEVER, but this is a unique situation, being on TV, playing in a once in a lifetime game, UP $140k, which for me at least, is BIG money. I don't blame him for folding, though he did get his share of people saying he shouldn't have folded, regardless of the results, because remember that you can't be results oriented.

This fold is still ridiculous and uncalled for in my opinion although I understand why he did it. There's $5,200 in the pot when action gets to him. He's sitting on $140k and has said he's folding out the last 40 hands or whatever. Everyone knows he has a monster when he tanks. Why not just blast it or even jam rather than folding. Laak isn't calling to set mine if he raises to something like 14k+ and 9 times out of 10 he scoops a $5k pot. When he does get called or raised he's got 80% and should be able to know what boards are trouble. I understand being in over your head but I'd like to think I could adjust the other way rather than folding the nuts in a cash game. It's also a once in a lifetime opportunity to double up 140k 80% of the time.

#46 August 12th, 2020, 1:15 AM

Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d

This fold is still ridiculous and uncalled for in my opinion although I understand why he did it. There's $5,200 in the pot when action gets to him. He's sitting on $140k and has said he's folding out the last 40 hands or whatever. Everyone knows he has a monster when he tanks. Why not just blast it or even jam rather than folding. Laak isn't calling to set mine if he raises to something like 14k+ and 9 times out of 10 he scoops a $5k pot. When he does get called or raised he's got 80% and should be able to know what boards are trouble. I understand being in over your head but I'd like to think I could adjust the other way rather than folding the nuts in a cash game. It's also a once in a lifetime opportunity to double up 140k 80% of the time.

He couldn't jam in that game. Pre-flop, the game plays Pot Limit, post-flop, No Limit. So, even if he pots pre, Laak's never folding in that spot.

Yes, you're 100% right, I agree with how absurd the fold was, but to protect that profit, which was life changing money for him, but I don't blame him for making the play because you're right, 80% of the time, he will add to the stack, but he's protecting the 20%, which, in his mind, he felt that he had more to lose. Nobody's ever folding 66 pre-flop to a pot-sized raise, and you saw how much of a tellbox he was that hand, that even if he potted after the hollywooding, Laak's going to know what he's holding, which is all the more reason to set mine.

#47 August 12th, 2020, 3:35 AM

Originally Posted by Shumkoolie

He couldn't jam in that game. Pre-flop, the game plays Pot Limit, post-flop, No Limit. So, even if he pots pre, Laak's never folding in that spot.

Yes, you're 100% right, I agree with how absurd the fold was, but to protect that profit, which was life changing money for him, but I don't blame him for making the play because you're right, 80% of the time, he will add to the stack, but he's protecting the 20%, which, in his mind, he felt that he had more to lose. Nobody's ever folding 66 pre-flop to a pot-sized raise, and you saw how much of a tellbox he was that hand, that even if he potted after the hollywooding, Laak's going to know what he's holding, which is all the more reason to set mine.

Didn't know it was pot limit pre. That does change things. What's pot then? Like 9.2k? It is very possible Laak can call with those implied odds but he could also fold. Without being able to make it at least 12k it does make it much more uncomfortable to play. Yea if Laak calls he ends up loosing at least 50k that would be super gross after saying you were folding till the end.

#48 August 12th, 2020, 3:56 AM

Originally Posted by DrazaFFT

Why would you fold AA preflop in cash game? What action before your turn will make you think that youre not in a good position to put your money in?

Your avatar goes perfect with your post/question. Fold AA

#49 August 13th, 2020, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d

Didn't know it was pot limit pre. That does change things. What's pot then? Like 9.2k? It is very possible Laak can call with those implied odds but he could also fold. Without being able to make it at least 12k it does make it much more uncomfortable to play. Yea if Laak calls he ends up loosing at least 50k that would be super gross after saying you were folding till the end.

Yes, 9.2k sounds right based on my math too. Laak's likely not folding if David Fishman pots, though Mercier overcalling might influence a fold, but as it's a cash game, I'm thinking he's 90% to call anyway.

#50 August 13th, 2020, 3:56 PM

I have never folded A_A pre-flop before, is this the strongest pair in poker? Is not it? Who would think of throwing that hand away? Funny Fold AA

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