Flush draws at microstakes

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Is there much benefit in raising flush draws at the microstakes given that often we have so litte fold equity? I sometimes raise strong draws against thinking regs, as they know what the fold button does. But against droolers who never fold, should we just check/call assuming we have the correct odds? My thinking is as they are only thinking about their own cards, they will probably still pay us off if we get there.
 
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I kind of take it easy on the draws of any kind. I hit them some times and sometimes I don't. It really cost to chase them if there is 3 or 4 in the hand. So you just have to pick and choose which ones to play. It sure is nice when you do hit one and that's when you want 2 or 3 others in the hand.GL to you
 
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Thanks for the comment PapaC

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Thanks for the comment PapaC

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I think it is a mistake to overgeneralize and assume all micro stakes players play the same. Consider the fact that you are also one of them. You should be making observations about your opponents and adjusting accordingly. If you find you are in position against a passive opponent who will call off with top pair, sure, just flat and value bet when you hit. If you are out of position against an opponent who Cbets 100% of the time but you perceive he will fold when you play back, go ahead and check raise. It's all situational and these types of questions are impossible to answer correctly with a statement like, "No, never raise a flush draw in the micros!" When you post questions like this you are likely to get a response more along the lines of, "I hate flush draws, they suck!"
 
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Yeah, I think at micro you definitely have to watch / know the players. I do tend to shove more against calling stations when I am pretty sure I have the best and they have the draw. If they suck out, I just put more on the table knowing that the odds are good I'll get it back from the bluffer. But most of the times post flop they are about 10-20% to win for a straight / flush draw, so I'm not going to give them odds to call.

But against those who tend to play better I play more conservatively. I don't assume people will play well. It's kind of like at the start of a micro tournament. I just want to try and get lucky twice early since 20-50% of the field are tards.

As for playing them myself, I feel like it's set mining, make sure we have a good healthy family playing if I'm going to start playing the drawing game. And I'd only semi-bluff it if I knew who I was against. And half the time they might have what I'm repping.
 
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Monster draws gii

overcard+gs+fd gii

anything else just take it easy .... call if multi way pots. but pot control is key until you get your card.
 
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Thanks very much. Three really good bits of advice.
 
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Is there much benefit in raising flush draws at the microstakes given that often we have so litte fold equity?

I'm assuming you mean a flush draw with nothing else to go with it. It's all villain dependent on what you do.

I sometimes raise strong draws against thinking regs, as they know what the fold button does. But against droolers who never fold, should we just check/call assuming we have the correct odds? My thinking is as they are only thinking about their own cards, they will probably still pay us off if we get there.
The "bluff" in semi-bluff means you have some reasonable expectation that your opponent will fold. If that's not the case, then there's no semi-bluff, and it's better to just call against a sticky opponent until you get there. If they're really sticky, then you could consider a raise, not as a semi-bluff, but for value if they'll stack off even if you get there.

If you have a combo draw, like TPTK with a redraw to the nut flush, then you'd certainly want to raise for value when your opponents are sticky. They'll call down, and you can still win even if you don't help.
 
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I feel like these days it is hard to get away with bluffing your draws so don't go crazy with it. Try to bluff raise when you have more then just a flush draw, like pair+flush draw, Gut shot+flush draw etc. People just are not folding overpairs or TPTK type hands on boards with draws and you are hoping they have nothing when you raise so being more selective and raising the hands I listed give you more equity for when they do have TPTK and overpairs.
 
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flush draws are the worst, but I figure its 12.5 chance of hitting the turn or river.. so if your getting the right price go for it.
 
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odds matter ,position matters and type of villain matters as said before to paint all players with one brush because of the stakes they play is not optimal at all .....scorp
 
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odds matter ,position matters and type of villain matters as said before to paint all players with one brush because of the stakes they play is not optimal at all .....scorp

I think this sums it up perfectly. Odds, circumstances ect should
dictate your decisions not the stakes. But yeah I hate flush draws for some reason I feel like Im -ev chasing them lifetime. GL at the tables.
 
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