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I have a question for you guys. If you have a hand like 9 10 offsuit and the flop comes out 9 9 9, how do you maximize the pot? I have had this a couple times and when I bet anything everyone folds. I tried to check it and still get no bets. Any strategies? Thanks.
 
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Yeah flopping quads what a drag :)

Hey buddy, I think the only thing you can do there is assume that someone has got something to come with you either a fullhouse if they have a pp ,or you could check it once, and hope they pair 1 of their hole cards on the turn. If you hit a big hand u have to start building a pot ,if you try and everyone folds, then there was no $$$ to be made anyway. You want big hand vs bighand just hoping yours is just a little bigger than the Villans.
The real problem with flopping quads ,is the flop and your hole cards have sucked all the air out of the deck. Unless someone has unwisely limped with AA or KK you are not going to get much action.
So next time it happens Id value bet it prob check it 80% of time bet it 20% on flop and bet it 100% time on the turn regardless. Many people get in the habit of milking there big hands and bluffing and building big pots with weak hands get into that habit and you will never make money in poker GL keep flopping dem Quads and build that pot when you do GL Damon789 a.k.a Steamer107 P.s I flopped Quads in a micro game on Stars a while back had TT flop came TT8 i checked it once turn was a Jack a guy bet i smooth called Riv a Jack he moved in i snap called He showed JJ :) thank god it was only $7 he he
 
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I have a question for you guys. If you have a hand like 9 10 offsuit and the flop comes out 9 9 9, how do you maximize the pot? I have had this a couple times and when I bet anything everyone folds. I tried to check it and still get no bets. Any strategies? Thanks.

When you have the deck crippled it's hard to make any money.

Slow play to bluffy players and hope they take a shot. Check the flop to calling stations and hope they catch something to call your turn and river bets. Bet small and give them some odds.

In a small stakes game (online), where I had no reads, I'd just shove on the flop/turn and hope some one decides to snap off my "bluff".

You have to know your opposition...
 
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Check the flop or bet very small.

UNless someone has a pp and therefore has made a FH there just wont be much action so aim for a small pot on this one, but is someone seems to play back at you, assume thay have a FH and go for stacks
 
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I think everyone's hit the nail right on the head here: a board like 999 just isn't an action flop. You probably have to check it in hopes that the turn connects with a player, or a LAG player attempts to make a move after the turn. More often that not, though, be prepared to make very little money in these situations :-\
 
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I have had quads many times and i agree with you if you bet, they fold,if your check they still fold.. It is frustrating, but I figure its better to get a little pot then none at all.
 
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Check the flop or bet very small.

UNless someone has a pp and therefore has made a FH there just wont be much action so aim for a small pot on this one, but is someone seems to play back at you, assume thay have a FH and go for stacks


I normally try to make a quality post but stu said it the best

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I normally try to make a quality post but stu said it the best

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One other option would be to have a FH on the board in that case you'll probably make a lot of money by going all in at the end.
 
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well usually when the board comes 999 777 etc,
and someone bets its usually because either
A.) they have flopped quads or
B.) they flopped a full house.

so nobody is going to really call them until they hit a full house of there own.

for instance someone with AQ will wait for an A or a Q to hit the board, someone with KJ will wait until a K or J hits the board and hits there full house. u just gotta check like you have nothing until they make a big bet with there full house, in which you make a healthy raise to maximize the pot. =] gl
 
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well usually when the board comes 999 777 etc,
and someone bets its usually because either
A.) they have flopped quads or
B.) they flopped a full house.

so nobody is going to really call them until they hit a full house of there own.

for instance someone with AQ will wait for an A or a Q to hit the board, someone with KJ will wait until a K or J hits the board and hits there full house. u just gotta check like you have nothing until they make a big bet with there full house, in which you make a healthy raise to maximize the pot. =] gl

This is completely backwards to my experience. Big unpaired cards KJ+ or any pair 44+ is going to go nuts trying to get their stack in lots of times becuase they can't believe you have the quads and are just betting a scarey board.

Of course this might be because I have an aggression of 3+ so I bet and take away lots of pots. If you are a more passive player it is possible that you betting might scare them away making slow playing a better option.
 
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This is completely backwards to my experience. Big unpaired cards KJ+ or any pair 44+ is going to go nuts trying to get their stack in lots of times becuase they can't believe you have the quads and are just betting a scarey board.

Of course this might be because I have an aggression of 3+ so I bet and take away lots of pots. If you are a more passive player it is possible that you betting might scare them away making slow playing a better option.


Im not so sure they would go nuts, maybe call a flop bet or check raise it.. but are people really going to go much beond that without a pp?

I dont think anyone is really thinking about quads at the moment.. but FH's have got to be on peoples minds.
 
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Im not so sure they would go nuts, maybe call a flop bet or check raise it.. but are people really going to go much beond that without a pp?

I dont think anyone is really thinking about quads at the moment.. but FH's have got to be on peoples minds.

Like I said just my experience. It isn't as if I have seen 1000's of Three of a Kind flops either.

KJ maybe be falsley optomistic by A10 is certianly reasonable as they will think "hey, I could have a better Ace". Pairs 55 or higher will think "well they could have 33's". If they even think that much about it and don't just assume you are bluffing.
 
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The first priority when flopping quads should be not to fold (either misclick or poor play).
 
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This has happened to me before. I find that if I check the flop and then bet small on the turn it looks like I'm just trying to weakly pick up the pot and pray someone has hit or at least has an A. Nothing you can really do but bet and cross your fingers for a call.
 
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I flopped quad queens live once and got paid off for almost $400... I was utg with QQ and raised to like $12 and got like 4 callers ... flop comes QQJ... I just pretended like I was bluffing and bet out hard for like $35 ... call,call,call,call... turn T... Bet out another $40 or something.. call call raise call... raiser had me covered so I sigh and say 'I only have this much left to call'... two before raiser call ... haha, it was damn nice

... I dont remember the exact amounts of bets or the pot so if you do the math and it doesnt add up thats why.. this was like 2 years ago
 
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I've never flopped quads, but when i do, I'll imagine it'd go like the time i flopped a royal flush
I check
opponent checks
I check
Opponent checks
I bet small
Opponent folds
 
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If they fold way too much when you flop quads, I hope you bet 100% of the time when the board comes 999 and you have 45.
 
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I've never flopped quads, but when i do, I'll imagine it'd go like the time i flopped a royal flush
I check
opponent checks
I check
Opponent checks
I bet small
Opponent folds

I've flopped quads twice holding a PP.

Once online, $5.50 SnG with AA.

Once live (tonight actually) with 66.


Only thing going through my mind both times:
"What do I have to do to get paid with this hand?"

Tonight I managed to take one guy for a ride to the river.

Hitting monsters is always nice, but getting paid for them just feels great. It means whatever acting job you did (live or online) worked.
 
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I think it's tougher to act like you have nothing online... I always try to make it look like I'm bluffing
 
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Once I had 10s in the hole and the flop came 10-10-Q. I bet out and they called. K came on the turn, so I set a trap. Sure enough, someone bet, I raised and both other players called. They folded to my bet on the river, so I didn’t even have to show my cards.
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Thats the spirit...but sometimes noone can do anything with the board cards
 
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last time i flopped quads i was cbetting and my opponent realized it so he peeled with AK and caught a king. If you are checking in the BB with 9T I would check it and wait for someone to catch something and bet small. Sounds like in your situation you dont have much info on your opponents hand whereas in mine I correctly put him on two overs and made a small cbet that he would likely call with.

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BB: $11.35 (113.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $11.80 (118 bb)
MP: $12.05 (120.5 bb)
CO: $13.85 (138.5 bb)
BTN: $1.20 (12 bb)
SB: $4.40 (44 bb)

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Turn: ($1.35) K
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River: ($3.35) Q
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Results: $8.35 pot ($0.40 rake)
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MP mucked A
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You have to wait and try to let them catch up (or) hope that someone takes a shot at it on the river. Trying to lead out with a small bet on the turn isn't going to look weak... it's going to look like someone who's trying to get paid off.
Check the turn.. .and then on the river (thinking you don't have position on them here which is a big drawback)... maybe bet fairly large in an effort to make it look like you're stealing the pot.
 
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In general, you should place a modest bet on the flop.

I think optimal play would be to get the action started right away by betting the flop modestly. Too hard and they'll fold, too small and you're not building the pot enough and could be seen as slowplaying. Your opponents will figure that most of the time no one will have the nine anyway, and in the rare instance that someone does, that player will usually just check it... so a modest bet probably won't be taken too seriously and may, in fact, make them put you off of holding the nine. You should get a fair amount of callers this way because everyone has a tempting draw to a Full House no matter what their hole cards are, whereas anyone who folds to your bet probably figured in advance that they wouldn't be willing to stay in under any pressure regardless of whether they paired on later streets, thus making it better in the long run to eliminate them from the hand immediately (so as to encourage further action on later streets). So, I'd just play it cool and make it appear that I'd flopped a weak Full House with a pocket pair, or was on a draw with one or two good facecards (which will be half of the table anyway), and then continue to maintain that image on fourth street. By the turn you'll have built a pretty good pot and those who stuck around will be priced in to chase the river whether they've made their hand or not. By the river a few should have made their Full Houses. If the turn and/or river come high cards, you might get seriously paid off. But if all you do is check the flop, you're not building the pot and you're actually more likely to get put on slowplaying the nine, I believe, than if you simply represented a weak Full House, or a draw to a strong one, with a modest-sized bet.

This is an excellent question that warrants further study, perhaps for the development of a system. This flop (which occurs only .01% of the time, or once in ten thousand flops) is one of the rarest and most potentially profitable in the game. In fact, if you consider how much potential this flop gives to so many other players to improve to very strong hands, coupled with how virtually guaranteed you are to win, flopping quads with one of your hole cards might very well be the most theoretically profitable flop in the game.
 
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Depends on villain but generally you can give them one street to improve.
 
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I think optimal play would be to get the action started right away by betting the flop modestly. Too hard and they'll fold, too small and you're not building the pot enough and could be seen as slowplaying. Your opponents will figure that most of the time no one will have the nine anyway, and in the rare instance that someone does, that player will usually just check it... so a modest bet probably won't be taken too seriously and may, in fact, make them put you off of holding the nine. You should get a fair amount of callers this way because everyone has a tempting draw to a Full House no matter what their hole cards are, whereas anyone who folds to your bet probably figured in advance that they wouldn't be willing to stay in under any pressure regardless of whether they paired on later streets, thus making it better in the long run to eliminate them from the hand immediately (so as to encourage further action on later streets). So, I'd just play it cool and make it appear that I'd flopped a weak Full House with a pocket pair, or was on a draw with one or two good facecards (which will be half of the table anyway), and then continue to maintain that image on fourth street. By the turn you'll have built a pretty good pot and those who stuck around will be priced in to chase the river whether they've made their hand or not. By the river a few should have made their Full Houses. If the turn and/or river come high cards, you might get seriously paid off. But if all you do is check the flop, you're not building the pot and you're actually more likely to get put on slowplaying the nine, I believe, than if you simply represented a weak Full House, or a draw to a strong one, with a modest-sized bet.

This is an excellent question that warrants further study, perhaps for the development of a system. This flop (which occurs only .01% of the time, or once in ten thousand flops) is one of the rarest and most potentially profitable in the game. In fact, if you consider how much potential this flop gives to so many other players to improve to very strong hands, coupled with how virtually guaranteed you are to win, flopping quads with one of your hole cards might very well be the most theoretically profitable flop in the game.

Depends on villain but generally you can give them one street to improve.

Guys this is a 5 year old thread, I think the OP has moved on to other things by now, you must have gone back a lot of pages to find this.



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