Flopped Set vs 3rd Suited Card on Turn or River

VTedd

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Hey guys, if I hit my set on the flop and someone calls me down, and then the card to complete a flush comes on a latter street, what would you do? I feel like more often then not they aren't going to have the flush and its fine to continue being aggressive. If they do indeed have it, do you just need to accept the fact that its a cooler situation?

What about if the card completes the flush on the turn and you get raised? Is it better to call or shove, granted that your opponent can be full of crap, and even if he isn't you still have a decent draw to a fh.


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If im not getting raised im firing away all streets, we need to get value from big hands. If were raised on the turn and there's nothing else likely villain can be raising with, then probably a cry fold.
 
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1. You flop a flush draw about 10% of the time, so a turn card completing a POSSIBLE flush does not immediately mean that somebody has a flush.

2. If you get raised on a turn (and sb actually has a flush) you still can win (about 23% equity) by pairing the board or hitting 4 of a kind. Check your immediate and implied odds here to make a good decision.
 
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don't be aggressive here

When you flop a set and a flush draw completes on the river you need to slow down here rather than being aggressive then depending on the opponent's play you need to make a decision according to your read whether to call his bet or not.

However in some other situations where the turn card completes a flush draw and you are heads up, here continuing to be aggressive is not a bad idea as you would went to extract max value from your set. If you get raised here and if you are deep stacked you can easily call and then evaluate on the river. Being aggressive on this spot can be a bad idea.:icon_smur
 
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It's situational. As an artificially simple example, if a player open-raises and you know he only does so with TT+, the third suited card isn't much of a concern since he can't have a made flush. More realistically, you want to consider the opponent's range and play style. For instance, the more likely someone is to play suited cards, the more danger when the third suited card comes.
 
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I agree with Arjonius, study players at the table to get info on how they play and make decision off the situation.
 
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Also, against players we know play a good TAG/ tighter game, if they have raised from early position, or called us from early position, it is less likely that they will have two cards of the same suit. Their opening/cold calling ranges will mostly include pocket pairs and AK, AQ, AJ. A few suited broadways will be in there but generally suited connectors aren't going to be play as much by decent players in EP, thus reducing the chance of flushes than if they were playing IP.
 
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If you think youre beat, then dont be aggressive.

Your next move would depend now on opponents image, your image and pot odds/implied odds.
 
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If the turn card represents the third card of a suit, I will in general do at least the same size bet I did after the flop. Someone may have called with an AQ off, but that third suited card gives them a chance to hit a flush on the river. I am going to make somebody pay to chase the flush; don't let them hit it for free. If a fourth suited card comes up on the river, then I pretty much stop. I'm not automatically folding if he bets, but I will think long and hard about calling, and I'm definitely not being aggressive.
 
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hffjd2000 said:
If you think youre beat, then dont be aggressive.

Your next move would depend now on opponents image, your image and pot odds/implied odds.
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^ This. I had to tattoo something similar on my wrist to continue reminding myself that splashing chips into a pot where I know I'm toast is counter-productive.
 
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VTedd said:
Hey guys, if I hit my set on the flop and someone calls me down, and then the card to complete a flush comes on a latter street, what would you do? I feel like more often then not they aren't going to have the flush and its fine to continue being aggressive. If they do indeed have it, do you just need to accept the fact that its a cooler situation?

What about if the card completes the flush on the turn and you get raised? Is it better to call or shove, granted that your opponent can be full of crap, and even if he isn't you still have a decent draw to a fh.


Thoughs, comments appreciated, ty.
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