Flipping top pair

So this happens to me quite often. I'll be big blind or small blind and i'll limp in with a pretty crap hand. Lets say 9 6. Lets say flop comes, 9 4 2. I'll raise usually a pretty firm bet (with top pair). Usually at this time the other people/person will fold. But sometimes I get an occasional large bet. I end up folding because I'm a huge wimp and think they flipped 2 pair or had a low pocket pair and ended up with 3 of a kind.

What does everyone else think about this situation?

post a specific hand history plz

lol will do

jgvsa17 said:

So this happens to me quite often. I'll be big blind or small blind and i'll limp in with a pretty crap hand. Lets say 9 6. Lets say flop comes, 9 4 2. I'll raise usually a pretty firm bet (with top pair). Usually at this time the other people/person will fold. But sometimes I get an occasional large bet. I end up folding because I'm a huge wimp and think they flipped 2 pair or had a low pocket pair and ended up with 3 of a kind.

What does everyone else think about this situation?

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Just fold. No point in getting into a big pot with top pair no kicker.

Unless, of course, the villain has been betting a ton and has a bluffy rep.

KyleJRM said:

Just fold. No point in getting into a big pot with top pair no kicker.

Unless, of course, the villain has been betting a ton and has a bluffy rep.

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idk, if hes talking about turbo SNGs or something, TP can often be the nuts...

jgvsa17 said:

So this happens to me quite often. I'll be big blind or small blind and i'll limp in with a pretty crap hand. Lets say 9 6. Lets say flop comes, 9 4 2. I'll raise usually a pretty firm bet (with top pair). Usually at this time the other people/person will fold. But sometimes I get an occasional large bet. I end up folding because I'm a huge wimp and think they flipped 2 pair or had a low pocket pair and ended up with 3 of a kind.

What does everyone else think about this situation?

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This happened to me in the cardschat titan freeroll last thursday early in the tournament, dealt 10 5 off in the big blind ep calls 40, everyone folds to me, i check, flop 10 7 2 rainbow, i bet 80 villain calls, turn 4 still rainbow, i bet 200 villain calls, river 10, i bet 400, villain reraisies 800, think my 10 rag is beat to higher rag, i go all in villain calls shows 77, see me, how wrong did i play this?

jgvsa17 said:

So this happens to me quite often. I'll be big blind or small blind and i'll limp in with a pretty crap hand. Lets say 9 6. Lets say flop comes, 9 4 2. I'll raise usually a pretty firm bet (with top pair). Usually at this time the other people/person will fold. But sometimes I get an occasional large bet. I end up folding because I'm a huge wimp and think they flipped 2 pair or had a low pocket pair and ended up with 3 of a kind.

What does everyone else think about this situation?

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Or a better kicker.

vagas35 said:

This happened to me in the cardschat titan freeroll last thursday early in the tournament, dealt 10 5 off in the big blind ep calls 40, everyone folds to me, i check, flop 10 7 2 rainbow, i bet 80 villain calls, turn 4 still rainbow, i bet 200 villain calls, river 10, i bet 400, villain reraisies 800, think my 10 rag is beat to higher rag, i go all in villain calls shows 77, see me, how wrong did i play this?

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Why did you bet the turn here? It's rainbow so not many draws, and if he has overs he's drawing to 6 outs, and most likely will fold. Basically you don't have a hand you want to be playing for stacks with, but you have decent showdown value. So I would just check this turn. Sure they could outdraw you but it helps keep the pot small. You can now just check/call the river (or if he bets on the turn you may call the turn and fold the river, although I think when you hit trips on the river you'd call, but it's all villain-dependent). If you're shorter then it's not such a big deal, but when you're semi-deep, you don't want to be stacking unraised flops with top pair no kicker.

if you have top pair but a low kicker dont play it too agressive. you can often get caught in these situations. most of the time i just call others small bets to the river to avoid losing lots of chips. it works because most donks will have mid or low pair and will bet. just calling wont reveal your hand.

if you just call you will never know where you really are in the hand. If you put out a marginal bet on the flop most times if you they will fold unless you are on one of those tables that no matter what you bet they will call to the river. it is always tricky playing with a low to marginal kicker you run the risk of losing when that over pair hits.

standard raise might take it, but with a lousy kicker it's a better idea to keep the pot nice and small. It's definately not wimpy to fold in a reraise situation! Save your chips for the big hands

jgvsa17 said:

So this happens to me quite often. I'll be big blind or small blind and i'll limp in with a pretty crap hand. Lets say 9 6. Lets say flop comes, 9 4 2. I'll raise usually a pretty firm bet (with top pair). Usually at this time the other people/person will fold. But sometimes I get an occasional large bet. I end up folding because I'm a huge wimp and think they flipped 2 pair or had a low pocket pair and ended up with 3 of a kind.

What does everyone else think about this situation?

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There's no good answer with the info given. Could be ANYTHING.... especially if you're playing freerolls. Someone might be bullying you into thinking he's got a higher pocket pair, flopped a lower set - or maybe they have q-10 and feeling good about one of their 2 overs hitting. Or maybe they're so used to all the donk play, they think YOU'RE trying to steal the pot, and a re-raise is they only way for them to find out. And when you end up folding, it might confirm in their minds that you bluff a lot.

Or (as likelier late in a tourny or a real money game) maybe they DO have A9, 2 pair or a set. Late is also where you'll find better players who might get read you to some extent. Try a little self-analysis (do you mix up your play?). I sometimes do better when I get more aggressive, but admittedly, often I have to force myself.

Yes.. it all depends sometimes on how you have been playing in the game. I know when I become agreesive after being conservative i can get away with it. But once you are busted....

i need a hand history to analyze but folding top pair is ez for me

zachvac said:

Why did you bet the turn here? It's rainbow so not many draws, and if he has overs he's drawing to 6 outs, and most likely will fold. Basically you don't have a hand you want to be playing for stacks with, but you have decent showdown value. So I would just check this turn. Sure they could outdraw you but it helps keep the pot small. You can now just check/call the river (or if he bets on the turn you may call the turn and fold the river, although I think when you hit trips on the river you'd call, but it's all villain-dependent). If you're shorter then it's not such a big deal, but when you're semi-deep, you don't want to be stacking unraised flops with top pair no kicker.

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I bet the turn here zach as i did not want to show any weakness, if only the river wasn't a ten.