fletchdad presents: "OH NOOOOO Not ANOTHER 2nl Grind thread?"

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Yes it is. I am just gonna jump in and start this.

Many of you have read my "I am now gonna do xxxxx" threads before. This one will start different.

My background is, I have lost between 2-4K in the last 4 years. Not a bad amount, if you look at the cost of entertainment......... I have played around 1 million hands (many of them drunk....well, thats me folks) Stakes in cash from 2nl to 100nl. Many MTTs and SnGs, ranging from .10 cent to 50$. I have been up a few thousand and eventually dropped it all again. The losses I speak of are only deposit losses, not including moneys won and lost again. Bottom line, I was down to 160$ on stars, and had invested so much time in poker only to not only not take money home, but actually be down. My wife was less than amused and read me the riot act. Money or GTFO. She had a point, and as of last August, I pretty much stopped playing, cept for the odd CC FR.

Since End of February, I started at 2nl with my 160. Now I am at 360. 75K hands. I will post graphs. Not all hands are in the graph since I played some on my laptop and have not transferred the hands, as well as a bit of the money is from the odd SnG and stars rewards, so the winning in the graph is a bit lower.

My stats are not optimal, but I feel they are fine for 2nl. I call a lot when I think the situation is good for it, and the 2nl players are so easy to call then either hit and stack or out play post.

I will try to post hands but my time is so limited, and I will spend most of it playing. My wife is still like "Poker, again? Really?" And, since we have children and I am self employed (musician) she wants to see me working on making money. When I say "honey, I made $19.50 today, only took me 3 1/2 hours" she is understandably not real impressed. Especially when I have to follow that with "Oh yea......yesterday I lost $11.80 in 3 hours" lol

So I will not be like always regularly posting, but I will try to post some hands. Depending on work, I may have long breaks in between.

But this is my last try at poker, barring unexpected wealth. I will never deposit again. At least I have curbed my drinking while playing...... I know I have said that before...lol.

Graphs to follow, comments welcome.
 
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Graphs. Comments on red line??? Stats??
 

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in, just curious what kind of brm you are following fletch to have 360$ and still be grinding 2nl? Certainly seems you are having good results so far with the grind.
 
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Good luck with your poker journey. Hope it works out well for you :)
 
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Yea, Dave, I am not using any BRM at all at the moment. I am not trying to move up according to BRM, but am waiting till I feel I have 2nl "solved" (and I am almost there). And when I feel I have it "solved" I still want to do 10-15K hands to see if I actually do, and am not just on a heater......
 
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GL fletch, move up to 5nl soon imo - you are rolled for it and I think you've got 2nl solved already :)
 
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Dammit man, there are lots of good poker players here, and while not all post graphs, that's the purtiest graph I've ever seen.

Is my math right that he's on a rate of 33 bb/100?
 
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Dammit man, there are lots of good poker players here, and while not all post graphs, that's the purtiest graph I've ever seen.

Is my math right that he's on a rate of 33 bb/100?



Thanks.
But, sadly more like 8 1/2 bb/100
 
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OK, that graph shows ~ 61K hands, or 610 units of 100 ea.

Profit is ~ $400, or 20,000 bbs.

20,000 / 610 = ~ 33 bb/100

I have to look at this again when my head is clearer if I'm doing it wrong.
 
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Blue line is + - 400, but profit is around 145 on the graph. Blue line is hands that were shown down. Red line is hands that were not shown down. Profit is somewhere in between
 
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understand the lines ......blue line is won at showdown, green line is profits, redline is won without showdown and orange is expected all in ev.
 
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OK, that graph shows ~ 61K hands, or 610 units of 100 ea.

Profit is ~ $400, or 20,000 bbs.

20,000 / 610 = ~ 33 bb/100

I have to look at this again when my head is clearer if I'm doing it wrong.

profit is 143ish, 400$ is money won at showdown but offset by the 255ish won without showdown. Believe that still comes out better than 8.5bb/100 tho and closer to 11.5bb/100, still crushing it over a nice sample.
 
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are you playing 6 max or FR ? if full ring there is a dedicated FR position tab as the one you have shown is the 6max position tab. looks like you should be cbetting more though.
 
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SeaRun cleans his glasses and says "Move along folks, nothing to see here"
 
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6max Keith. I will start c betting more, but the last 10-15k hands I have made some adjustments, and that is one. I am calling less and being a bit more aggressive postflop as well.
 
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how many tables are you usually playing at a time?

do you play at all on the ZOOM tables?

Is there a particular time of day you play at? I know it's only 2nl, but do you notice much of a difference at different times of the day? (ET timezone)

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I come from one month slump in nl2 just lost three times with pocket kings makes is incredible'll break the computer
 
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Maybe its just me, but for me I would either broaden up your PFR or slim down your VPIP or maybe a little both. You have a 17 PFR and a 24 VPIP, I like those numbers to be a little tighter. like 19/20 or 20/23. I think it means you are calling too much and not being aggressive enough with your hands preflop.

On the other hand, you are pretty well crushing those stakes. That may not be an adjustment you need to make, or maybe one that is suboptimal at 2nl.

If you are uncomfortable increasing the hands you bet with, decrease your calling range. I would not be surprised to see that have a meaningful impact on your winrate.

EDIT - especially those blinds! you are calling too much in the blinds. fold fold fold your blinds. calling in the blinds sucks, raising sucks. You should have super thin range of hands to call in the blinds with. I think you are giving away too much money in the blinds.
 
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Gl Fletchdad hope it works out for you .......scorp
 
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GL Fletch, nice results so far!!!!!!!
 
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Thanks for the comments. I will comment on a couple of posts, as well as state some observations I have made, and thoughts I have had. Feedback is always welcome.

PO, I played up to 21 tables, but have seen that it is too much. 12-16 is really so easy - I am quite surprised that it is - till 18 I start to notice the pressure, and after 18 I start tilting at not being able to keep up, so I cap at 18. 18 is a good number, and as long as I am in a good mental state, it is no problem to keep up. I make more bad snap decisions, but see more good hands...lol. This old brain just has its limits.... And, no, no zoom at all for me.

Ubercroz, as I started my new 2nl adventure, I was opening early with a very wide range, and calling in the blinds way too much. I think the wide range is fine in some cases in EP, since postflop the players are playing very face up or have bad cases of FPS. But the wide calling range was bad. I have stopped that. Over a course of close to 75K hands, I have been trying to learn what works and what doesent. The blinds were certainly a leak, and it is good to have that mentioned. My plan was to outplay post, but there I go with my own case of FPS. It is, after all, 100bb 2nl....lol @ myself for thinking otherwise :)

I have had some info about multitabling software, but I am using the beta AHK at stars, and it is certainly not great, but helps a bit.

Thinks I now notice.

A lot of regs at 2nl. I guess people are trying to earn a side income. I see some there all the time. I play maybe 5 hours a day. If I am lucky, more, if I have stuff to do, less to none. But some players are there ALL THE TIME. If they dont need to work, why the fuk are they at 2nl??? Plus, I recognize a lot of names from 2-3 years ago (also at 5 and 10nl - I check out the tables sometimes). Dont these people have a life??? lol again @myself for saying that.... Pretty much all of them are bad. Some are impossible to make money of of unless you have a monster and so do they. Many play so face up post it is lol easy to float any flop and take the pot OTT or get out. Since they hit way less than 50% of the time, it is showing a profit to play ATC vs these players and just agro post. Of course, it depends, but I am amazed that I have 9-10K hands on some guys, they are regs, and they let me do the same thing every time..:)

Some regs are starting to get real agro with me. A couple new 3 bet me all the time. I have started to 4 bet light, but it is turning into leveling wars and I dont want that. I am not certain thinking about polarized and balanced ranges is necessary at 2nl. That topic is not my strong point anyhow. If they have position, I just fold a lot of my range. But they are now playing a certain way against me in particular - a couple grumble about me in chat..lol - so I am not certain how to react. One player is 3 betting me every time I raise the button, but I have started raising almost ATC if UO to me OTB, but I dont think that is why. I have stacked him and been very agro vs almost anyone, and I think he is adjusting to me.

Since most of my money is in € I play only € tables. I only have like $40, the rest is €. I wont exchange, as you lose to exchange rates. I will play some 235 FPP sattys, and opt out for the T$s and sell them, as well as my VIP stellar rewards, so when I have 60 or so, I will start on the $ tables and have a new player pool.

I dont have a lot of time to play, so I do very little review, and do not post hands. I hope to change this. When I move up to 5nl, I will need to be more active there. I dont really have a goal as such. In general it is to get better at poker, and move up in stakes.

Thanks to all following, I will try to eventually post some interesting hands. I have folded JJ-QQ pre in a few cases, but IMO was standard. I dont want to post hands where you really say "if you are asking here, DO NOT MOVE UP if you need to ask". was down 15 BI, but got 10 back. I was coolered (SP?) bad the last 2 sessions. FH vs better FH, my AA vs AK, he straightens out OTR, my KK vs QQ - also straightens out OTR, when I hit my set OTF... ouch - my AA vs 97s all in pre!!!! with a 3 way pot, a KK as well, and he hits flush OTR..lol stuff like that. Funny but frustrating. But the many tables help make it just another hand.
 
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GL FLetch. Get yourself to 5 NL asap, wanted to say 10 NL but since it looks like your taking your time, dont see any reason why you would be at 2NL with 180 buy ins. Thats just bizarrre. Lol. Good luck though in whatever you decide to do.

Will be following along andwishing you all the rungood in the world.
 
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I see some there all the time. I play maybe 5 hours a day. If I am lucky, more, if I have stuff to do, less to none. But some players are there ALL THE TIME.

I jump on some micro tables here late at night & see the same players that were there 10hrs. earlier. Often times it'd mean these players are actually playing til' 4am but are on there again at 8am???

Quite awhile back, I plugged some of the sn's into a tracking site & would see that they'd have 1million, 2million + hands played at 2nl. (seems crazy)
 
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I want to post some hands, but since I am playing 18+ tables, I just dont get a chance to mark the more interesting ones, and simply cant be bothered to wade through my HH to find them. I now can play 20+ tables. It seems to get easier. But I simply cannot mark hands.

I have surpassed the $400 mark. I will start 5nl soon. (Dont bother with the comments about BR and why am I still at 2nl. Really, it feels good to see my graph on a consistent upward journey....lol) When I start at the next level, I am not sure how to begin. Less tables, and more hand marning? Do I need to make any adjustment at all for 5nl, or just get 24 tables up and mash buttons, like I do now?

I have tightened my opening range up in EP, have a very small calling range (positional) compared to what I use to have.

Any mass multi tablers wanna give me a hint on how to mark hands for review?
 
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