flatting ranges to 3 bets OOP vs regs (tl;dr, includes 1/2 a HH)
just wondering where the bottom of our range should be?
a lot of this will be rambling as well, since I was thinking it over today and want to get this all out in one place so its out of my head.. (maybe thats weird? I dunno)
this is in spots vs regs where they have a polarised range IP, and our range includes some steals as well.. so most likely:
vs a 20/16, 3b of 6
- $0.50 PL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (CO): $50.00
SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has Js As
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, fold, fold,
my thoughts (prob basic):
I think a lot of regs are going to be unbalanced towards bluffs in these kind of spots as well, nits naturally unbalanced the other way.. but we aren't going to be flatting hands OOP to them ever.
we don't want to flat hands with hot/cold equity like 44 etc since we give up on too many flops/turns(?)
hands like JJ/TT seem ok to flat since we can continue on flops and flopping sets makes up for the times we run into the top of their range..
and most regs are straightforward in 3bet pots.. so we can flat these as long as we can get away from weakish overpairs facing serious pressure.
but isn't this the exact range people put us on when we raise from say MP and then flat a 3 bet? so then they can play perfectly against us..
suited broadway seems solid to call but hands like JTs could get us in some difficult spots OOP on turns since when we flop something its likely to include some kind of backdoor draw.. which could end up with us getting to rivers and then having to let go when we brick (which can't be +ev?), assuming most regs at 10/25/50(?) don't triple barrel bluff often enough to making heroing off profitable.
AK/AQ should be flats some of the time to keep us balanced but we're likely not going to get much value when we do hit and are ahead, at most it'll be 2 streets.. and the river bet will have to be somewhat small to induce hero calls.
Axx boards people are going to let go of a lot on unless the flop/turn/river a better hand right?
and we can't let go of A high on dry flops which means trying to get cheap showdowns OOP and hoping its good, or bluffing
them off second/bottom pair on rivers.
I kinda want to make my OOP flatting range the same as my old nittyish UTG range 99+ AQo+ with AJs and maybe some other hands that flop well (semi-bluffs?)
It just feels like if their range is full of bluffs then we have to bluff/float postflop OOP even more to make flatting profitable?
but yeah, back to the question, what are you lots ranges for flatting OOP?
'don't flat 3bets OOP' doesn't count as a valid answer either..
opinions on my other thoughts would be welcome, thanks.