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WillieBoi89

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Hi All,

I played my first live cash game the other day (normally play online MTTs) and wanted to know if my play on a critical hand was correct or not. I was playing $1/$2 nl and bought in with a max buy-in of $200.

A fairly active player opens in early position to $10, I am in the cut off with :as4: :jd4: off and re-raise to $30. The blinds fold and the villain calls.

Flop comes :ah4: :ac4: :4h4: AA4 with 2 hearts. Villain checks, I bet $40 and villain calls.

The turn is the :6h4:, the villain waits around 5 seconds and then shoves all in for $150. The pot was roughly $140 so it was a pot sized bet.

Obviously he is representing a flush. I go into the tank for about 2 minutes. I am trying to think what flush hands he could have that would have opened early for $10 and called my $30 pre-flop bet. I decide that there wasn’t many combinations. He could also be betting an Ace aggressively to try and get rid of 1 heart hands and also the turn heart was a good bluff card.

I eventually call and he shows :jh4: :8h4: . The river is a blank and I lose the pot.

I called because I had 2-1 odds on the call and didn’t expect to see hands like :jh4: :8h4: call pre-flop. Was my call right or should I have folded here. I would like to know if my call was +ev over 1,000’s of hands like this.

Thanks in advance

Will
 
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I'm calling every time in this spot. In a typical $200NLH live game, I'd probably bet pot-size on the flop. You get value from all draws & Ax and expect to see A4, AQ, AK rarely.
 
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The player paid to see the cups and saw, this is poker.
 
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I agree that this warrants a pot-size (or larger) bet OTF. I know it's hard to fold to the flush, but I think you've also discounted the possibility of someone set mining and I also think you haven't adequately considered the possibility of hands like KQhh and others, especially with your range including AJo for a 3-bet. In these kinds of small games, it's not very typical for people to overjam the pot and players typically (like this guy did) just like to call until they have just about the nuts.
 
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KQhh a PP that turned a boat are both options. I didn't see J8s showing up here but live games especially 1/2 live games can have a lot of weird play in them.
 
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1-2 is such s screwy game....i think 1-3 is easier to beat then 1-2. My reason is because it's all a bunch of bluffers on 1-2 all-in every hand. 1-3 is straight forward.

You played the hand wrong unfortunately. Poker is about being able to read an opponent. Heres what you should of realized.

1. He knows you have an Ace, once you 3 bet pf, then bet 40 on the flop. He shoved because you might have a Q or K of hearts.

2. You should of realized, once he was all in he had a Flush and he expected a call regardless because he knew you had an Ace. (You need to ask yourself "would he go all in knowing i have an ace if he didn't have a flush?") that's a rough beat. Welcome to pker.

3. AJ is never worth a 3bet. That hand isn't worth 30$ on 1-2 never will be.

4. That's a tough beat. I recommend getting up off the table and taking a good day off from pker or 2 days off. Don't play on tilt. Ever.
 
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1/2 is sometimes filled with these kinda players who raise with nothing and then they call to see the flop. I usually go all in on flop/turn if the board doesn't follow up on a finished draw and most of the times double up. I normally would never have guts to reraise AJ off on 1/2 because its just a nightmare hand on 1/2. You gotta have a strong pair to reraise and be in position to move all in on flop if you sense weakness from your opponent. 200 is hardly money for most of these players who wouldn't think twice to gamble all in.

That guy is never folding his draw if you had went all in on flop. But the odds of you winning is about 70% or less. So you gotta think about the implied odds of losing your stack 30% of the times and if whether that will blow your bankroll. Your decision is stacked up on implied odds. If you are building a bankroll, you gotta minimize the value of losses. Some decisions are difficult if you are building your bankroll. In this play he could have well had a boat of 4s/Aces. Its just a tough spot when someone goes all in first.

When you identify such players in a table you should take maximum value and have nuts or low outs to lose after flop to go heads up. In this play,it's a fold on turn if you have identified such players but making the call because you haven't identified his play is just a suckout. You can't help but learn and also to let them know that you are ready to chase a boat. The next time when you have nuts / near nuts and they raise you, you can pop it up.
 
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Hi All,

I played my first live cash game the other day (normally play online MTTs) and wanted to know if my play on a critical hand was correct or not. I was playing $1/$2 nl and bought in with a max buy-in of $200.

A fairly active player opens in early position to $10, I am in the cut off with :as4: :jd4: off and re-raise to $30. The blinds fold and the villain calls.

Flop comes :ah4: :ac4: :4h4: AA4 with 2 hearts. Villain checks, I bet $40 and villain calls.

The turn is the :6h4:, the villain waits around 5 seconds and then shoves all in for $150. The pot was roughly $140 so it was a pot sized bet.

Obviously he is representing a flush. I go into the tank for about 2 minutes. I am trying to think what flush hands he could have that would have opened early for $10 and called my $30 pre-flop bet. I decide that there wasn’t many combinations. He could also be betting an Ace aggressively to try and get rid of 1 heart hands and also the turn heart was a good bluff card.

I eventually call and he shows :jh4: :8h4: . The river is a blank and I lose the pot.

I called because I had 2-1 odds on the call and didn’t expect to see hands like :jh4: :8h4: call pre-flop. Was my call right or should I have folded here. I would like to know if my call was +ev over 1,000’s of hands like this.

Thanks in advance

Will
I used to play a mountain of cash games. 6 times a week at least 5 hours a day. My feeling in cash is that when the money goes in, especially in low stakes/semi loose games, they have it. My feeling is that long term it's a losing strategy not to respect the money.

In this case it is very hard to fold, but you have to respect the bet in a low stakes game. He could also have lower set, or the ACe
 
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I think you played correctly, maybe a high bet after flush to make him fold could be good as well, but poker sometimes is lucky.
It's normal to loose playing right, it happens a lot.
Forget it and go to next tournament.
 
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