Feedback please. Really feel like I played this poorly

4NL 9handed.

Pre flop: (.34 in the pot)
I raise 3.5x from UTG+2 wit Jh 10s and the villain calls in MP. (Yes, I know a lot of people will say that this is a marginal and that I shouldn't raise from EP with it. I raised because the table had been playing really tight and I was jus trying to pound their weak tendencies)

Flop: Qs8s3d (.66 in the pot)
I check(fearing the queen hit him and I had been c-betting alot). Villain bets .16 and I call(Hoping to bluff spades or catch a 9).

Turn: Js ($1.52 in the pot)
I check. Villain bets .44. I call(I now fear that he couldve hit queens-up or a straight, assuming he would call with hands like 9T and QJ)

River: Jd ($3.04 in the pot)
Though I make a set, I'm still really unsure where I'm at so I check. Villain puts me all in and I call(Purely a lack or discipline. I knew the flush and straight were possible but couldnt resist calling. I also feel like I played way too passively this hand)
Villain: 8d8h (8s full of jacks)

Yeah the river call is bad. What is he shoving with that you have beat?

This hand from start to finish is horrible, the preflop raise was the best part and that is not saying much.

Why raise so big with a speculative hand? Should of raised 2.5x max if you wanted to open with it.

The whole thing was a disaster. Like Play said the only thing you did right was raise thats ok. but when the flop comes you should have continuation bet always. Because 1. he could just fold, win right there. 2. If he calls you now have more info about your opponents hand.

He called so it usually means he has something. i would check the turn. he bets i fold. simple.

Your whole way of thinking kind of scares me. you were hoping for a card to fall so you could bluff??? I don't understand that way of thinking.

You bluff when the situation presents itself. and you know betting patterns ect. You really need to narrow down what your opponent has try to figure it out every hand and you can check if your right on the times he has to turn over his cards. He saw the JJ on the board and pushed he has you beat. he was just hoping you had a jack.

When i first read your post before the end i put your opponent on QQ, but 88 makes more sense. anyway i would suggest reading some good poker books.
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-A

pre flop betting

I dont think u did wrong by betting pre flop.You just got caught up in the runner runner situation.it happens to us from time to time.sometimes you just gotta see it as would this guy had done the same with an inferior hand but still worthy then yes .so u cant talk yourself outa every set u come across just because he flipped over a fullhouse rather than 2 pair or same set with lower kicker:damnmate:

I really really meet this kind of hand many times. And I just can say "damn".
Feeling like god is challenging me LoL. Don't worry bro! Just be careful next time. I think you were right at this hand...

vnonline said:

I really really meet this kind of hand many times. And I just can say "damn".
Feeling like god is challenging me LoL. Don't worry bro! Just be careful next time. I think you were right at this hand...

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Can you explain what you think is right about this hand?

vnonline said:

I really really meet this kind of hand many times. And I just can say "damn".
Feeling like god is challenging me LoL. Don't worry bro! Just be careful next time. I think you were right at this hand...

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Are you actually kidding me?

the river: why call? just fold, i mean, full house, flush and straight are all in this board very possible and you only have a trip, so next time avoid problems and fold, actually you could have folded from the very beginning but once you reached the river and hit nothing but a trip in a so loaded board the answer to a shove is an easy fold,

If your table is tight enough to make opening QJo from EP profitable, then why do you need to open to 3.5x?

Either bet the flop or check-fold. That you had been cbetting a lot only matters if you believe (a) he has noticed this and (b) he'll play differently as a result.

Calling in the hope of bluffing spades on the turn seems at least somewhat inconsistent, If you've been cbetting a lot, there's a decent chance you've been cbetting your draws. So why expect him to think you check-called with one this time?

Granted the opponent may not think at this level, why is it important to try to outplay him on this hand anyway? KISS

Your stated assumptions on the turn don't seem fully consistent either. He's playing tight but he calls 3.5x with T9, then bets the flop with only a gutshot? It's possible, but how likely? It also seems reasonably likely a tight player would fold QJ pre-.

So was he tight or not? you can change your assumptions during a hand, but I'm not seeing nearly enough reasons to do so here.

The other comments in this thread have adequately assessed the quality of this river call, so I want to make a different kind of comment that involves several posters.

The JJ runout did not give OP a set. It gave him trips. A set refers to holding a pocket pair and the board giving you three-of-a-kind, while trips is three-of-a-kind with one of the "triplet" in your hand and two on the board. You all may think I'm splitting hairs here, but these two things have different names because there's a large difference between these two things in hand-strength.

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo

Exactly there is a MASSIVE difference between a set and trips.

The minimum hand required in poker to make the nuts is a set. Trips is never the nuts and it's a hand that's not disguised at all so if you facing action with trips you better start worrying.

I always found people callijg trips a set annoying.

Here is a fun fact, I just started reading Phil Gordons little green book and he mixes the two up all the time. Almost makes it hard to take the book seriously when the author messes up terminology haha.

This is my way of thinking if I decided to bet.

Okay 3x BB

We lead say 2/3 of the pot... If he calls we still can hope for a gutshot if he calls then most likely we are going to need a lot of help.

Sometimes I find if a player just keeps flat calling it means he's weak or he thinks ur a fish.... So you have to think of your table image and how well your playing.

If you've had some decent hands and made good plays by leading out every street we put the pressure on our opponent but also it tells us if he ain't scared, we should be.

But also you said the tables been awfully tight. All of a sudden he's not scared to throw money out there???? ... Why!... Either your drawing to the nuts or your being the fish at the table.

we were really after the 9 after the turn especially on a tight table... We are going to be up against someone with something or thinks he has something.

Anyways If you want to get more creative at least go Button or Cut Off (Becareful who's the button though)

If you said that you're playing nits at the table, what hand do you expect to get called with? Judging by his post flop play he has a decent hand and wont instantly fold when the 3rd spade gets there. I think it's fine to open with JTo, but what you want from this hand on the flop is a two pair or a straight draw. You had nothing but a gutshot on the flop and the tight opponent bets. Time to fold. The shove on the river, what hands he might be shoving that you beat? I'd say none. He might be doing that with a Jack, but he will have you outkicked with hands like KJ and AJ. He might sometimes do that with a flush, but very unlikely now that the board has paired.

Long story short: just fold the flop in these situations. You want to flop a 2 pair or a straight draw with the hand.

I think you didn't play this hand exceptionally well. Don't mind the pre flop raise, But the way you played post flop was pretty weak. Neither did you c-bet nor did you check raise him on flop so you did not get any information and then there was little way you cold have folded after making three jacks on the river.

In such situation when you have less information you should be ready to make some tough laydowns.

Continuation bet after flop, otherwise you don't know where you are