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While I generally have adopted the view recently that there aren't downswings or upswings and it's all long term, I recently committed to a small but decent bankroll and good management of it. After years of playing I figured in general 5-10 BI swings were uncommon but could easily be expected. Especially in 6 max.
In the past few days I've hit a massive downswing. At least 20BIs at 6 max. While I'm still rolled for it I've started mixing in some lower stake games as well so I don't lose my mind. This is mostly 10NL.
Looking back on most of the hands where I lost stacks, I found at least 12-15 of these were due to getting the money in good and ahead but still losing to suckouts. I posted last week about some sick suckouts but still having confidence that the plays were correct.
And then even more insane suckouts. Literal one and two outters. Runner runners. Hands people shouldn't have even been in.
The largest "single session" downswing of the current few days downswing was about 8 buy ins. 5 of them were lost to the same guy. All 5 I was in ahead, he gets his outs on the river.
But then they continued. Value betting better, getting money in ahead, and still losing. Some of the stack losses were big draws that didn't hit (like having an open ended straight draw with a 4 to the flush draw, and even being ahead at the time of the draw to still lose). I get that, draws don't always work.
And I get that it's one hand at a time. I;ve looked over a lot of these hands and while I was slightly comforted to know most of them were brutal suckouts. People calling massive raises to get their runner runner flush or calling with bottom pair only to get rewarded on the river. Some were obviously spots I could have played better.
I'll keep on keeping on but it's definitely a little disheartening to get a roll together, work on your game, work hard, and then see people make massively bad plays and win. Realistically, I know this is good. Psychologically, i know this makes sense. We want these people to play terribly like this.
So my rant aside, what do you guys do when massive downswings hit? What adjustments if any do you make when you look back and see you played a hand right and still lost? How do you combat players who just never never fold. Who will happily call deep stacks all in with AK and win? Who have one out and just call and call?
I will say I've overcome my tilt and I've worked hard on BRM and studying the game. I've really worked on value betting and not getting into tricky situations. But then of course they have 10 4 suited for the runner runner flush against a set. I mean why wouldn't you go all in with suited cards pre flop?
You know what I mean.
Thanks for reading my rant. I will say BRM is crucial to me not losing my mind here but it's still a bit disappointing to work hard and see massive streaks like this happen!
Any tips on how to deal with tricky spots like villains drawing and pre flop aggression are welcome. I feel like I get in there and isolate well and then oh look the river is the miracle card they needed. I take a step back and know these terrible donk plays are profitable in the long run, but how does one get to the point where you can avoid enough suckouts to actually have a steady roll instead of feeling like you have to move down, move down, or reload, reload to keep rolled. I mean 5 BI downswings are nothing, but 20? come on.
TL;DR - What is considered a normal downswing in 6 max online cash games? And how do you personally deal with massive suckouts that contribute to larger than expected downswings?
In the past few days I've hit a massive downswing. At least 20BIs at 6 max. While I'm still rolled for it I've started mixing in some lower stake games as well so I don't lose my mind. This is mostly 10NL.
Looking back on most of the hands where I lost stacks, I found at least 12-15 of these were due to getting the money in good and ahead but still losing to suckouts. I posted last week about some sick suckouts but still having confidence that the plays were correct.
And then even more insane suckouts. Literal one and two outters. Runner runners. Hands people shouldn't have even been in.
The largest "single session" downswing of the current few days downswing was about 8 buy ins. 5 of them were lost to the same guy. All 5 I was in ahead, he gets his outs on the river.
But then they continued. Value betting better, getting money in ahead, and still losing. Some of the stack losses were big draws that didn't hit (like having an open ended straight draw with a 4 to the flush draw, and even being ahead at the time of the draw to still lose). I get that, draws don't always work.
And I get that it's one hand at a time. I;ve looked over a lot of these hands and while I was slightly comforted to know most of them were brutal suckouts. People calling massive raises to get their runner runner flush or calling with bottom pair only to get rewarded on the river. Some were obviously spots I could have played better.
I'll keep on keeping on but it's definitely a little disheartening to get a roll together, work on your game, work hard, and then see people make massively bad plays and win. Realistically, I know this is good. Psychologically, i know this makes sense. We want these people to play terribly like this.
So my rant aside, what do you guys do when massive downswings hit? What adjustments if any do you make when you look back and see you played a hand right and still lost? How do you combat players who just never never fold. Who will happily call deep stacks all in with AK and win? Who have one out and just call and call?
I will say I've overcome my tilt and I've worked hard on BRM and studying the game. I've really worked on value betting and not getting into tricky situations. But then of course they have 10 4 suited for the runner runner flush against a set. I mean why wouldn't you go all in with suited cards pre flop?
You know what I mean.
Thanks for reading my rant. I will say BRM is crucial to me not losing my mind here but it's still a bit disappointing to work hard and see massive streaks like this happen!
Any tips on how to deal with tricky spots like villains drawing and pre flop aggression are welcome. I feel like I get in there and isolate well and then oh look the river is the miracle card they needed. I take a step back and know these terrible donk plays are profitable in the long run, but how does one get to the point where you can avoid enough suckouts to actually have a steady roll instead of feeling like you have to move down, move down, or reload, reload to keep rolled. I mean 5 BI downswings are nothing, but 20? come on.
TL;DR - What is considered a normal downswing in 6 max online cash games? And how do you personally deal with massive suckouts that contribute to larger than expected downswings?
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