re: Poker & Extreme downswings at 6 max cash?
Originally Posted by J_Slice
It sounds like you have your mental game sorted out and you're keeping tilt in check which is good. Often times the start of a downswing brings about tilt which makes a rough ride even worse. Been there, done that more times than I care to admit.
There is no shame in dropping down stakes or even reloading if you can afford it. Your upswing will come soon enough if you just keep a level head and keep getting your money in good. I don't think there is much else you can do. If you feel it starting to take a toll on your life away from the felt or that tilt monster starts to creep up, take a short break. Spend a few days or weeks doing something else you enjoy and come back refreshed and ready to go.
Thanks man. This is very well said and I agree with it 100%. Ironically, I'm studying to be a psychologist so the tilt control I use these days is in part derived from my training. It's pretty cool to see the crossovers between psychology and poker and so it's opened a whole new understanding of the game for me.
One thing that helped me grow out of tilting issues (like chasing losses, not being mindful of how I feel in a current hand because of a past hand, etc). was to actively remind myself of the present hand and the moves I'm making. I am starting to get looser, am I making a bet for a reason or just because of a bad beat, basically looking at in the moment why I'm making a play or opening my range, etc etc. It's had immediate effects on refocusing me and giving me a sign if I should take a short break (even just to go do something else for an hour) or make sure I stay the course with my strategy and ranges.
So for example one fallacy I often notice in myself and others at poker is seeing some maniac calling you down to get one card on the river that gives them the win. Then you start thinking if they did it then you could to (which of course is incorrect unless they really did get their money in on a good draw or ahead). Suddenly those 7 2 off suit suckouts make you question your own strategy and if you should play 7 2 off suit because it just won that donk a ton of money. Obviously these thoughts creep in and can be any number of thoughts about doubting your game. So I stop and tell myself that no that was a good play on my part (if it was and if not, I look at it and see if I did what I should have done) and that no playing like the donk in that case is not a winning strategy. Or be aware of thoughts of feeling like it isn't fair or I'm owed, or some other absurdity. Basically just self talk to ensure I'm mindful of my current state in the current hand.
It's also refreshing to hear about no shame in reloading as needed (there seems to be among some players a point of pride of never reloading but I let that idea go for me because why not take advantage of reload bonuses and also why not keep the roll at a level I;m comfortable at if i can). And of course no shame in moving down even IF one can reload just to get the confidence back.
I've come to find, at least for me, that the mental game of poker (esp online) is perhaps as important if not more so then the math and strategy of the game. After all, we can make every move correctly and still lose a winning hand many times in a row.
This is one of the first massive downswings Ive experienced since I committed to an actual roll and where I have resisted the urge to "move up to just get that roll up again" and just held the course. You think hey I'll just sit down at the 50NL table just this once, double or triple up and move back down or I'll just enter this high entry fee tourney just this once to get the win. And we all know how that generally works out. I'd rather stay at my level or drop down and top up my roll if needed then just go down those chasing trips again. Might as well take advantage of some reload bonuses along the way and stick to my game at the same time.