Experienced players, which pocket pairs would you avoid in a deep game?

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I'd be particularly interested if anyone has stats on this. I'm trying to avoid set over set situations. I know that sounds nuts, but the game I'm in is uncapped and having 500 BB to 700 BB is standard and rarely people will sit with a thousand (BBs) or more. Plus the ones that buy in big are the stronger players and the ones that buy in short are generally the weaker players.

If I had a bigger bankroll I'd probably just go ahead and play the pocket ducks or whatever, but on a 5000 BB roll I have to be careful. I'm thinking deuces through 6's would be the ones to eliminate. If the board is dry let's say 10 7 2 rainbow I'm not folding 7's for 500 BB unless I had a huge read, but the deuces I would be thinking about it when someone raises me strongly.
 
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This deep, PP's become less valuable and nut drawing hands like Axs become more valuable.

I'm not suggesting to not play PP's, you will still need to, but you have to prepared to lay down sets if people want to play for stacks.
 
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are you refferring to live or online or both just in general
 
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Thanks seventh.

Yeah I'm referring to live play. Don't think there are any online games that play this deep.
 
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If you had 22 and are heads up to the flop and it is 10 7 2 that deep how would stacks get in on the flop? If it is a standard raise before the flop and a c-bet on the flop then ok the pot is building. If you bet and are raised on the flop I would not be in nearly as big a hurry to stack off as I would be at 200BBs. Like you said, it is deep so right away I would think that it is possible I am in trouble so I would just call. Now the turn comes and you check and call a bet then same on the river but would a set of 7's shove the river that deep in this situation? Maybe they are beat and if not then why lose value by scaring off a weaker hand? I would play the smaller pairs but keep this in mind. Flopping a set does not mean stacking off at all costs with stacks this deep. If you are under heavy pressure just grit your teeth and call down.
 
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Lower your limits otherwise you'll be a rock
 
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I think none of experienced players could predict what poket pair will fold or just to point a preflop pair.
I think that the experienced player will look at alot of things that the game shows you. Position, demeanor in the different situations of his opponents and more things are important i think.
Its my own opinion, its normal others not to share it. Peace :D
 
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baby pairs rise in value being deeper.
so the deeper we are the wider we go as well.
 
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I'd go crazy with a set of 3's especially at 1/2
 
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I've seen this debate before. Maybe buy in for 200 BBs. For that depth, I'd feel OK going broke with a set of 2s (well...not OK, but I guess it would be more 'acceptable'). Just make sure you have the weaker players covered at the table.
 
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Ask Tom Dwan who allegedly lost $20,000,000 Set over Set
 
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Ask Tom Dwan who allegedly lost $20,000,000 Set over Set

That's crazy if that is true at first I thought you said $20,000 but you have 20 million dollars they are LOL hard to believe he would lose twenty million dollars in one hand set over set I would like to see that if they have any video of that anywhere would be cool to see LOL that sounds crazy
 
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Ask Tom Dwan who allegedly lost $20,000,000 Set over Set


If you are playing low stakes, have a decent bankroll and only have one buyin at stake, deepstacked means I've already made money. I can afford to go in with a low set even if someone gets lucky. I am never folding in this situation.
 
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i wouldn't avoid any pocket pair. just be carefull and dont stack off versus tight players
 
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Pocket is very good as it is almost always difficult for your opponent can realize this type of hand depending happens before or after you always have to play these speculative hands
 
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I never fold a set because I am afraid a overset . I keep on playing/calling the bets . The only thing I can do is lessen , decrease the possible losses by playing a game with less buyin/bb
 
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Even if you're playing the standard US buy in for 150 BB game you can end up quite deepstacked. Let's say you buy in for $300 and up at $1200. Another player is that deep as well. He's generally tight but tricky. He raises pre, you call with pocket deuces. The flop comes QJ2. He bets out let's say for 40, you raise to 120. He reraises to $300. What the heck do you do here?
 
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Even if you're playing the standard US buy in for 150 BB game you can end up quite deepstacked. Let's say you buy in for $300 and up at $1200. Another player is that deep as well. He's generally tight but tricky. He raises pre, you call with pocket deuces. The flop comes QJ2. He bets out let's say for 40, you raise to 120. He reraises to $300. What the heck do you do here?

From your side it looks like this:
You're pot commited, so call or push.

From opponents side it looks like this:
Such play says that he has a top pair + high kicker, like AQ, KQ, or overpair KK, AA... maybe a draw. Majority of players don't bet too much with nut set on the flop, if opponent has pocket jacks or queens (set) - in most of the cases he will just call your flop+turn bets to appear weak, and place his bet on the river.

According to my experience if your opponent plays raise+reraise on the flop - it only means that his hand is weak and he wants you to fold right now. He might reraise for protection - thinking that this way he will stop any possible draws, might also bluf. But such reraise does not look like a value bet.
 
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