The Evolution of HUD Stats

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It's been pretty interesting over the past few years watching VPIP/PFR stats evolve online. Back in 2014 a player with stats like 17/13 would have been considered a TAG and a NIT maybe something like 13/8. By 2016/17 TAGs were running about 16/11, 15/10 ish and NITS started having stats of like 11/6. NOW in 2018 these seem to have tightened even further with TAGs running at 14/10 or 13/9 and NITs are now sometimes running 7/3. I've noticed more players beginning to "wise up" about their ranges. This is thanks to excellent Poker learning resources which weren't as abundant before.


Overall it appears that most player types have tightened up in the last 5-6 years. 2012's NITs are now approximately today's TAGs. And some NITs today are so tight that they literally fold every hand except {KK AA}. Fish, LAGs and Maniacs don't seem to have changed all that much but it definitely feels like they have gotten better at selecting hands. So the way we profile players has had to change a lot. But how much tighter can we really go? I think we are approaching a theoretical maximum where if we go any tighter, our ranges will become sub-optimal. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.
 
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most games at stakes bigger than the micros are tougher nowadays, both cash + tourneys , live and online . about the only place you find real maniacs in any numbers is in online freerolls and tiny stakes rebuys .
 
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the tighter they become the more LAGs You will see that will happily collect all the pots with a low card flop...
 
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Definitely, it's now important more than ever to use depolarised ranges.
 
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Im assuming this is full ring, because I think the opposite trend has happened in 6 max.
 
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Yes full ring. Are you saying 6-Max has been loosening up more since then?
 
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Looking at 6-Max, the corresponding VPIP/PFR trends I would expect to be:

2014: TAG 22/18 NIT 17/12
2016: TAG 20/16 NIT 15/10
2018: TAG 18/14 NIT 13/8

(Approx)

But if you're saying that they are actually loosening further instead of tightening then that's interesting. I play full ring only so i wouldn't have enough data to analyse.
 
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People dont run 18/14 now, thats a definite nit tag
 
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I think 6-Max by nature will always be a loose game. It's harder for the ranges to become tighter because the blinds are so much more frequent. Adding on the fact that there are 3 less players to get through. There is so much lighter 3-Betting in 6-Max, much harder to bluff than full-ring.
 
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i think the way we look at poker and the tactics and strategy behind it changes every day allmost
 
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Tecnology is an important tool to help players.I don't know how to use HUD's (I think HUD's are only for PRO's) but If I want to improve my game I will have to learn it.
 
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Yes full ring. Are you saying 6-Max has been loosening up more since then?

6 max is overflowing with bad aggressive players trying to play a Lag style they don't have the ability to play.
 
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