Down 15 BI at 25nl

Recently I have been struggling with 25nl. I was hoping someone would be kind enough to take a look through my stats (I can get more if you need), and see what I need to improve on.

Thanks in advance.

I think your AF is too high. This means you have to let go of some hands . IF the flop c-bet does not work than do not shoot a second barrel on the turn. Check for pot control if you know you cannot stand a reraise on the turn or the river.
This is my opinion.

Thanks. I have noticed im quite aggressive and thats probably one of my biggest leaks that I fire too many c-bets and follow up on the turn occasionally.

I don't know if AF is too high, could be totally fine. Would have to look at individual hands. I'd be openening a ton more sb's but there isn't much we can help with from just stats. Post some hands in the HA section or something GL bud

Okay thanks acky, I thought first step to my rehab would be to see if I had any obvious leaks. Do you think I fold to 3 bets too often?

Does look like your Fold to 3bet is pretty high especially on the button. but i'm just a noob. i've suggested Leakbuster a few times, but it is one of the biggest things that has helped me get my stats in line.

Yeah I always thought I had a problem with it, but I'd rather fold hands im unsure of than call/raise and cost myself more.

Take a random player as this example (no stats on him).

You raise from a mid position and get 3 bet from the button or hijack.
What action would you take with these hands.
10 10
AQo
AQs
AJs

I feel like these are the awkward hands that I probably cost myself with.

First i would look and see how much they are 3betting overall, then how often they are 3 betting from that position, and i use Notecaddy Edge and have a popup for VS. me stats. so i would look and see how often they are 3 betting vs me.

if they aren't really getting out of line then maybe i lean towards folding, but if they are 3 betting more than 6-7% then i'm probably more likely to 4 bet and probably fold to a shove. i sometimes just call, but don't really want to be playing big pots OOP.

i have gotten my fold to 3 bet number down, but might still be a little high. something i'm really trying to work on lately though.

even at 10nl people will see you fold at a high frequency and go after you a little bit, so i imagine at 25nl you may be running into that a little bit.

I dont get 3 bet an unusual amount, just Im unsure how to play troublesome hands so I dont. But note I dont have stats on most players (my database for 25nl is not big enough yet), otherwise the game is much easier.

Just so the info is a little more complete, could you add a bit about your experience??

Is this your first foray into 25nl in general?
How comfortable do you feel at 25nl?
Are you down 15 BIs over the whole sample you show (~52k hands) or is this a more recent downswing (from the win-rates I'm guessing it's a more recent downswing)?

i agree too much f3b, esp in the small blind. start 4bing bastards more imo. other than that nice stats imo (then again im used to 6max ones, so proba bit too aggro, but they look good to me)

Scourrge said:

Just so the info is a little more complete, could you add a bit about your experience??

Is this your first foray into 25nl in general?
How comfortable do you feel at 25nl?
Are you down 15 BIs over the whole sample you show (~52k hands) or is this a more recent downswing (from the win-rates I'm guessing it's a more recent downswing)?

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I moved up to 25nl about a month ago give or take. I dont feel uncomfortable at all, if you're meaning in the sense am I scared of putting my stack in. I moved to 25nl at $750, had an upswing to $1100 and then shot back down to $650. I think about 10k of hands are from the back end of my 10nl (Ive only just bought PT3/4) so thats where I have won say $150. Otherwise the table would likely be negative.

Its depressing to know I've contributed $500 rake as well

As for jchoop,

Yeah I tried switching to 6 max a couple of weeks back but lost a couple of BI, got sulky and thought I'll stick to what I think im good at. I would love to make the switch but I'd probably need a lot of help.

If you changed to 6max your post flop would be killer I reckon but you'd need to pick up the aggro pre and be prepared to stack a lot wider than you're used to

jchoop said:

If you changed to 6max your post flop would be killer I reckon but you'd need to pick up the aggro pre and be prepared to stack a lot wider than you're used to

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As in I'd be good or bad?

And do you think it is far more profitable than fr?

youregoodmate said:

As in I'd be good or bad?

And do you think it is far more profitable than fr?

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Im not sure about this. I guess it depends where you're cosy. There's definitely more preflop aggression at 6m which technically should lead to bigger avg pots compared to the same stake fr tables how ever this is generally untrue I've found (however I've never searched past micros).

I also read an article that there is a higher % of winning players at 6m than fr but this was a while ago and the gap wasn't really significant.

I think that based on your general aggression, your style would be more suited to 6m, but you'd have to adjust your clearly fr style of pre flop play to stand a chance

Okay thanks, I need a big remake soon. Just dropped below $500 so down to 10nl I go.

Im at least $100 below all in EV but thats not an excuse. To be down 8 buy-ins after 13k of hands (I've switched away from zoom), there has to be a big leak in my game. I just have no idea how to find it...

Definitely alot more 3 betting in 6 max, so need to work on your comfort level playing in 3 bet/4bet pots. And the games will be alot more aggro in general.

I'd suggest doing the free trial for Leakbuster. The trial obv doesn't have all the features, but will give you an idea of what it is capable of. It is a great program.
I'm looking over the reports from my last few sessions as i type this. Has been a big help for me, and the content is excellent.

Goathair said:

Definitely alot more 3 betting in 6 max, so need to work on your comfort level playing in 3 bet/4bet pots. And the games will be alot more aggro in general.

I'd suggest doing the free trial for Leakbuster. The trial obv doesn't have all the features, but will give you an idea of what it is capable of. It is a great program.
I'm looking over the reports from my last few sessions as i type this. Has been a big help for me, and the content is excellent.

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Im very comfortable in 3/4 bet pots, I think if someone isnt then they shouldnt be playing those stakes.
Thanks for the tip, I might buy it if its not too much. I dont mind spending money if its gonna save me a tonne.

I think micro stakes version is $49. It's well worth it imo. The video and written content is solid. And i like that instead of giving me general poker theory or advice, it is analyzing my stats , and telling me how to correct things that are costing me $ at the tables. I've gotten alot out of it, so i don't mind recommending to others are trying to improve. i've fumbled around alot trying to figure things out on my own, so things like this are a big help.

Yep I just downloaded it there now. The only problems are that it says that I c-bet too often from the small blind, c-bet the turn too often from the small blind (not as badly) and that my VPIP is too low at 15%.

I doubt these are the reasons I've been -EV recently so I guess Im going to have to buy it. Can't wait until it rips apart my 3 bet.

Thanks again for the tip, looks like a solid program.

No problem, i think it will be helpful. Would be curious to hear what you think. Oh, one thing i didn't discover until i had it for a bit was under "Step 1" in advanced view , if you go down the page. There will be a "Members area" tab, there are some additional Leakbuster workshop videos that really go in depth how to use the program, that are really good.

and if you want to , you can access all the video/written module content under Step 2. there is a little film icon.

good luck!

If you end up purchasing leak buster would you mind letting me know if the full version shits on the trial? I'm considering getting it

Yeah, it does. the trial is pretty basic. And there was another thread where the creator, said they are updating it here pretty quick, and adding new content, more leakfinding, etc.

I havent bought it just yet. Im back at uni in a few days so wont be grinding as much, but it may be worth even the few hours a week ill be playing. I know ive got quite a few leaks.

I'm very curious about it, ESP cos it will tell you you have leaks in spots where you don't, ie making -EV pre flop calls that are actually +EV cos your opponents are so bad that you have a big edge.