Done with Cash games.You either win a little or lose A lot.

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I was playing live at my local casino and I noticed a bluff sheriff that I had played with before with a "$640 or so" sitting at the $1/2. I sit to his left and buyin for $200.After several hours I am at $620 and he is at $758. I finally wake up with QQ on the Button. He raises 6x I just call. Flop comes 3S9D2C rainbow. He bets out 3/4 of pot,i call. Turn is another diamond. Idiot goes all in.I think for about 20 seconds and decide it is just a pure idiotic bluff,I call. His ass turns over 74 of diamonds and he literally freaks out when I show him queens screaming "WTF I didn't know you were that strong." "Ohhh.....OMFG." Dealer looks at us and floor manager comes to the table....burns a card and then BOOM Jack of diamonds......Cash game is a waste of money.
 
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Bluff Sheriff?

I was playing live at my local casino and I noticed a bluff sheriff that I had played with before with a "$640 or so" sitting at the $1/2. I sit to his left and buyin for $200.After several hours I am at $620 and he is at $758. I finally wake up with QQ on the Button. He raises 6x I just call. Flop comes 3S9D2C rainbow. He bets out 3/4 of pot,i call. Turn is another diamond. Idiot goes all in.I think for about 20 seconds and decide it is just a pure idiotic bluff,I call. His ass turns over 74 of diamonds and he literally freaks out when I show him queens screaming "WTF I didn't know you were that strong." "Ohhh.....OMFG." Dealer looks at us and floor manager comes to the table....burns a card and then BOOM Jack of diamonds......Cash game is a waste of money.

What is a "bluff sheriff"?
 
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You got your money in when you were ahead and lost on one hand.

So this proves that cash games are not profitable? They were profitable for the player you lost to, at least at that moment.

Most people lose over the long term at any form of poker. Some win.
 
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I think that you forced your luck with a bet so high in that small table blind. There was no reason to gamble with the man since you knew his a kamikaze. Next time wait have faith then when you have the nuts after a flop you can win. Btw he had a t least 8 outs 9 if you had a diffrent Q that like 16 -18 % chance to win. you can win 8 out of 10 hands with that.
 
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Just variance plain and simple. If you repeat the same situation ten times you will make a tidy profit.
 
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You were to deep with effected stacks of 310BB.So you first move is to 3bet him and take control of the pot in position against him.Then evaluate later on the streets the situation.
But even you got that maniac with on the turn I personally would put 310BB with just a pair of QQ.To many value hands beats you and you beat few value hands(just TT and JJ) and bluffs.
But that was gross, and I wish you the best in future tables!
 
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What is a "bluff sheriff"?

A bluff sheriff is a player that refuses to get bluffed and will force themselves into dangerous situation call down with weak hands. Least profitable player type next to calling station.
 
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I bought him a Jager Bomb to get him going and I really wanted his stack as we were both the deepest players there.Man this hand crushed me along with all the other cash game loses.Cash game has higher risks,lower rewards,and you can lose money very quickly.I'm just going stick to MTTs
 
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I was playing live at my local casino and I noticed a bluff sheriff that I had played with before with a "$640 or so" sitting at the $1/2. I sit to his left and buyin for $200.After several hours I am at $620 and he is at $758. I finally wake up with QQ on the Button. He raises 6x I just call. Flop comes 3S9D2C rainbow. He bets out 3/4 of pot,i call. Turn is another diamond. Idiot goes all in.I think for about 20 seconds and decide it is just a pure idiotic bluff,I call. His ass turns over 74 of diamonds and he literally freaks out when I show him queens screaming "WTF I didn't know you were that strong." "Ohhh.....OMFG." Dealer looks at us and floor manager comes to the table....burns a card and then BOOM Jack of diamonds......Cash game is a waste of money.

Why not re-raise preflop on the button with QQ? - Why just call?
You blame the the game and the bad luck but it was your bad play that lost $620. Not the game, but you did it to yourself.
If you don't know what you're doing stop gambling because you don't have the mentality required to win. If you keep calling or worse; check and calling and keep checking and more calling you will lose all your money and your house on top of that.

What hands you need preflop to re-raise ..., only AA?
 
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I agree with you is very difficult to make money in cash online becouse the game is very unpredictible.....especialy on stars......
 
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Why not re-raise preflop on the button with QQ? - Why just call?
You blame the the game and the bad luck but it was your bad play that lost $620. Not the game, but you did it to yourself.

And what would that have achieved?
Just because you get a big pocket pair doesnt mean you should default 3 bet every time, you are just making your game predictable and exploitable. Given the description of villain OP I dont dislike the flat with queens. Yes if he 3bet pre villain may have folded and OP won a small pot, but we dont want to be giving the other players the information they need to play their hands correctly.

@op, you played your hand okay(ish) imo (given the reads you have provided), but if you cant take losing one large pot then you need to move down to a stake that you are suitably bankrolled for.

That said, I would have raised the flop myself.

Variance is an unavoidable aspect of poker, but you need the bankroll to ride it.
 
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Yeah some players wait for the two most random cards and play them hard hoping the board hits and when it does the receiving end gets really angry but that's the nature of things a gamble is a gamble
 
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OP, sorry to tell you but you played the hand like crap, and you are 100% wrong about cash games. Cash games is the only way someone can make a steady living from poker... You are trying to play cash game tournie style, that's your mistake, deep stack cash games is a totally different beast than MTT.

Lots of MTT players have trouble with cash games, but cash players can usually adjust to tourney play pretty easily. Much more skill is needed to be a cash game winner
 
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Guessing your new to poker? lol.....Your crying because you made an absolutely awful call. Why would you call off your entire stack with QQ on that kind of board? Even if he was bluffing did you have a solid read? Were you 100% sure? Why make a post about crying because you got stacked lol?

I grind 1/2 almost daily for months on end. You haven't even hit "the tip of the iceberg" of bad beats by posting one stupid hand lol. Your a fool for calling your stack off he had some good equity.

Also let me help you out. I grind 1-2 now for 7-8 months. 30 hours nearly every week for 7 months. I broke even. Lost maybe 500$ in total. After putting down about 12,500$ in Buy-Ins on the table. I think i won about 12,000$. So a loss of 500$.

Now here comes the math. In reality I have been a "winning" player. After 700 hours I have paid a "rake total" of somewhere between 3000-4000$ Now lets add in tips. I've tipped about 300-400$ every single month. Waitresses, Dealers, etc. That now adds up to another 2,100-2,800$ in tips.

In reality I should be up at about 6,000 to 7,000$ in profit!!!! If there was no rake! And I didn't tip insanely. Now!!! Listen to my words buddy!


YOU WILL NEVER BEAT THE RAKE AT 1-2 Step up your game to 1-3 my man.
There's simply to many players in a pot at 1-2 and the rake is just to hard to beat. In 1-3 the amount of money you can win will GREATLY affect your win rate in the long run.
 
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And what would that have achieved?
Just because you get a big pocket pair doesnt mean you should default 3 bet every time, you are just making your game predictable and exploitable.


Ha,... hahahahaha ... LOL ...,

If you don't 3bet with QQ then with what hands are you 3-betting?
If we have 3betting with QQ, what would have achieved?
Would have blow away villain's 7d4d and hero would not have lost his $620. That would be the achievement just in case you don't understand wtf is going on in this game.
 
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There are some times in a 1-2 game you don't 3-beat QQ. It all depends on the scenarios, players at the tables, stack sizes, and action before that hand. There are so many factors that come into play. You just can't always go ALL-IN with QQ can guarantee you that is Negative EV.
 
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I think the OP played it great, he just lost.
Had over an 80% chance to win and got all his chips in.... well done if you ask me.
 
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I've been reading through Aaron's posts and I can't decide whether he's a troll or has anger management issues. Maybe he's just an unlucky person. Who knows? :rolleyes:One thing we do know is Aaron played the hand perfectly. +EV:D:D
 
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Flatting AA or occasionally KK is fine QQ is very vulnerable and tends not to be the hand to trap with. Plus a flat just invites the SB and BB to come along.

That said, you got it in as a big favourite and got unlucky, that's variance.
 
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cash games are very unpredictable, you can have a good session with a lot of profit and also you can lose everything in one hand, thats why I prefer tournaments ...
 
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Trying to play above the rim at 1/2 is not smart, they play their hands face up most of the time, the way you beat that is you value bet them to death when they are drawing. Sometimes their hand will get there, and you can make an exploitative fold when they do, the other 2/3 of the time they will punt their chips off a few blinds at a time raising with 74.
 
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A bluff sheriff is a player that refuses to get bluffed and will force themselves into dangerous situation call down with weak hands. Least profitable player type next to calling station.

Sooooooo they're like ....the exact same thing?
 
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Ha,... hahahahaha ... LOL ...,

If you don't 3bet with QQ then with what hands are you 3-betting?
If we have 3betting with QQ, what would have achieved?
Would have blow away villain's 7d4d and hero would not have lost his $620. That would be the achievement just in case you don't understand wtf is going on in this game.

I think that is results oriented. I was trying to trap this crazy player and QQ was the best hand Id been dealt in a while.
 
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The guys yelled at me "ship it" after his dumbas* won.Going down in stakes playing online only.Can't afford to lose $1,300 as a student in one hand.
 
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