Do you ever find yourself just calling even though you know you're behind?

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Played a cash game recently and the flop came 6 7 8 with two spades, i was holding 9 10o in the BB and my opponent limped from the SB, so i flopped the nuts, opponent bet out roughly half the pot and i re-raised him 3x his initial raise, the turn came down a 2 of spades, awful card for me, i still continue my aggression and bet out 60% of pot my opponent then shoves all in and i know i'm probably behind but yet i still call out of i guess, sheer frustration and he then shows what i expected, Q 6 of spades!! Do you ever find yourself calling even when you know you're behind and do you have any advice on how to deal with this? This is my first post so i've probably done a few things wrong so i'll apologize for that now :D
 
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If you want to play poker seriously, for real money, you will have to stop making those very, very, very bad decisions NOW or you are as well off to burn the money you intend to play poker with.

Your call.
 
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haha fair enough, i suppose you're right, it can just be frustrating at times though right?
 
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You should only be calling when you know you're behind if your hand can improve to a winning hand and you are getting the right price to draw out. Or you believe you can bluff your opponent off the best hand.

Calling out of frustration is what fish do when they're unable to let go of a strong hand.
 
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Played a cash game recently and the flop came 6 7 8 with two spades, i was holding 9 10o in the BB and my opponent limped from the SB, so i flopped the nuts, opponent bet out roughly half the pot and i re-raised him 3x his initial raise, the turn came down a 2 of spades, awful card for me, i still continue my aggression and bet out 60% of pot my opponent then shoves all in and i know i'm probably behind but yet i still call out of i guess, sheer frustration and he then shows what i expected, Q 6 of spades!! Do you ever find yourself calling even when you know you're behind and do you have any advice on how to deal with this? This is my first post so i've probably done a few things wrong so i'll apologize for that now :D

Hi !

After reading your post ..I have to say that first think that you in my opinion messed up and what was the source of this terrible play was the decision to play with 910os ??? What for starting hand is that ...109s = TRASH

How often do you think you are able to flop straight ...and even when you do ... 78910 is not NUTS ! when there are two cards of same colour ... Flush is more the Straight.

The after he called your Raise and another SPADE came up...why did not you just FOLDED ??? I do not understand that at ALL !

And tho most terrible call was when you have decided to call his AI ???

What did you thought that he would have ? ... ?

Do you ever played the game of poker before ?

Just one advice i can give you ...before you play any other poker game ... study little !
 
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This is a mistake I make more often than I know I should sadly.
 
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Happens to everyone, but if you feel like your emotions are affecting your play for the worse, take a break.

Nothing bad here with your play on the flop. Your opponent made a mistake calling raises with such a hand considering the pot odds. By the river he has 2:1 odds to win, so he will be beating you once and losing to you twice and if he choses to play his draws like that, well bad for him. What you don't want to do is pay him off when he does make his hand otherwise you will always get called by draws if you're willing to pay them off when they get there and drawing hands wont pay you off when they miss.

Edit: @T0mmmi, he said he was on the BB and the small blind limped.
 
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It happens to me especially when I am not having a good session. That person saying that you should not play poker if you can't fold a nut straight on a board with 3 suited cards is probably the most discipled player of all time. But I am a human and prone to do stupid things especially in online poker.
 
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One of the mods likes deleting posts without informing the poster in question of why said post was deleted so let me tone it down a tad and try again.
Hello
T0mmmi said:
After reading your post ..I have to say that first think that you in my opinion messed up and what was the source of this terrible play was the decision to play with 910os ???
The hand in question was limped to him in the BB, attention to details is key if you want to make fun, happy, cheerful observations about the hand.
T0mmmi said:
What for starting hand is that ...109s = TRASH
I do quite well with T9s but that doesn't really matter here because the hand was limped to him in the BB
T0mmmi said:
How often do you think you are able to flop straight
Do I need to say it again?
T0mmmi said:
...and even when you do ... 78910 is not NUTS !
No, 789T is never the nuts. However, hero flopped 6789T which was the nuts on the flop.
T0mmmi said:
when there are two cards of same colour ...
A straight actually does beat two cards of the same color. I believe they instituted that rule a couple years back.
T0mmmi said:
Flush is more the Straight.
Is this flush you speak of when you have five cards of the same color?
T0mmmi said:
The after he called your Raise and another SPADE came up...why did not you just FOLDED ??? I do not understand that at ALL !

And tho most terrible call was when you have decided to call his AI ???

What did you thought that he would have ? ... ?
I believe you can find the answer to all of these questions in the title of this thread
T0mmmi said:
Do you ever played the game of poker before ?
This statement is the reason I wrote my original (apparently derogatory) post because you, sir, are an ***hole.
T0mmmi said:
Just one advice i can give you ...before you play any other poker game ... study little !
Just quoted this last one because it's funny to say out loud.

Is this better? If you delete this post as well send me a PM explaining why and/or some type of warning and/or ban me. If you don't want me breaking your rules at least inform me that I broke them.

Have a nice day
 
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oohh yeeeah... always hate this thing but can't deal wit it
 
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Everyone does this I'm sure, but you need to learn and get better and have these spots happen less and less.
 
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Hey thatgreekdude. (love that SN BTW:). Yea, I think this problem you speak of is much more wide spread than you may realize. It is hard to flop the nutz then have a card come that will almost certainly put you behind. I dont think there is any easy solution to this. People will study, review hands, spot those leaks and then in game do it again. You recognize the problem, and that is good. Step one is accomplished. You have to realize there is a problem before you can solve it. I cant tell you what you have to do to make yourself apply this knowledge in-game, but remember this post, this problem, and try to think a few seconds before you make that call. If you really believe you are behind, you HAVE to fold. If you play online, put a note on your monitor. Live, when you are about to make that call - and you are steaming or frustrated or w/e - WAIT a minute and think about it.

Try to remember, you need a reason to call, and if you dont have one, folding should be 1st on your list of options. Also remember, just because you have a good hand - that is no longer the nutz - does not mean you have a right to the money in the pot. Bad players who limp with silly hands will still hit and win. When someone so obviously plays his flush face up, try to look at it that way. "He has a flush, I have a str8. What should I do here?" Then it becomes a bit easier, I hope.


Obviously someone (ronoh) corrected TOmmmi, and had their post deleted. TOmmmi certainly needed a bit of wake up slapping, but I guess you went too far (even tho that post is incredibly stupid on many levels). But I am assuming you went overboard, and the mods can delete without PMing, which is not only their right, but needs no justifying. If you remember what you wrote, it will probably be painfully obvious why it was deleted. Posts that make a good point still need to keep a line which they do not cross, even when responding to stupid posts like the one from TOmmmi. If mods had to explain their every move, they would waste time that they do not have. Not to mention they are mods. They "got the power". IMO your comment "let em tone it down a tad" shows that you did go too far. Be happy that you didnt get a PM, it would have probably been an infraction. Lesson learned.

TOmmmi, your post was very bad advice, and also possibly reflects how you play poker, which you need to think about. You need to read the post you respond to, so as not to come off sounding as ignorant as you did. And you were insulting without offering one solid piece of advice. Please think before you post trashy posts like this again. Be ready to get bashed for this type of ignorant posting anyway.
 
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yes you can do that if you get good implied odds that is you only have to call a small percentage of the pot to win it then you get good odds on your decision. However if you are sure that you are beat and you only get decent/poor pot odds then it is best to lay the hand down and not invest any more.
Some people call just out of ego which they cannot control or which is their nature so it is important to leave your ego behind to be more successful in making such decisions. Similarly sometimes frustration of being outplayed can lead to making such bad decisions so keep your emotions in check.
 
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I experienced this one all the time.
Now, the best you can do here is to minimize losses. You can device plays (through experience) where you control your losses to a mimimum.
Goodluck.
 
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Always take your time to act. Its hard to fold a sick straight like that but i think if you would have taken some time to look at the board and re visit how the hand was being played out it would have made an easy fold
 
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If I say no, I have to lie about it....
 
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wow guys read through all the posts and there's some really useful stuff here that i can certainly take to the tables :D
 
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I often hit 2 pair on the flop with ShT to find I get caught on later streets.

BB being able to check behind is really deadly at times.
 
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I have made many calls where I know I'm behind from what the table shows, but I think its my stubborn self refusing to fold. I think it's just an attitude thing, rather go all out here than fold and not know if he had it...but then again I usually play low stakes so it's not like i pay them that much.
 
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I have made many calls where I know I'm behind from what the table shows, but I think its my stubborn self refusing to fold. I think it's just an attitude thing, rather go all out here than fold and not know if he had it...but then again I usually play low stakes so it's not like i pay them that much.
For some reason bluff catches like that seem to stick in your mind. There will always be that time when you catch your opponent bluffing, but the other nine times he's betting you for value. When folding, don't think about the money you put into the pot, think about the money you saved by folding.
 
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This was literally my biggest leak live, I can often say my opponents hands on a great read, and I would call just to confirm it... I would call anyways, and they would usually flop over the winning hand and I would still be thinking, "Wow, I am awesome! I can't believe I made that read!" Even though I would still lose
-I have mostly plugged this leak up now, although I do love to call out my opponent's hands whenever I can :D
 
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I did it today a couple of times. It is just the sheer frustration of making good early street bets for value while you are still ahead, that your opponent shouldn't call, and then continually still losing to them on later streets.

Any time that I call a jam when I know I shouldn't I think it is my subconscious telling me, "I want to stop playing the game now - I want to leave this situation as quickly as possible and the only way I know how to definitely do that is by losing my entire stack".

Essentially it is just another form of tilt. Basically if I don't play with the right attitude then I am a fish.
 
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Yes and it's a habit that annoys me to no end, it's basically tilt (and bad ). I always do it out of spite (even though I KNOW it will help them ). I really want to learn to control this :(
 
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I too make this mistake sometimes. Nothing worse than flopping the tits, betting it correctly & yet your opponent still calls all the way through to the river only to hit a higher straight/flush. Very irritatingly!! Nowadays when I run into these situations I try to remind myself tough laydowns are hard to do (hence the name;)), but by doing so it makes us better poker players!
BTW I noticed this thread is like 5 months old but said I'd throw my 2 cents in anyway since someone resurrected it again today :D
 
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