Do you Call 13 outs on the flop, when he has an overpair.

So this is mainly a hypothetical question, and Ive actually faced a similar situation before playing 1/2 cash. So i want to know what people think about this situation in a ring game and in a tournament. Say you flop a draw and you have 13 outs to hit the draw. You lead out 15 in to a pot of say 30, and then a tag player who only plays big over pairs this way shoves all in over top for 115. The pot odds are terrible you need to call 100 more to win 160. With 13 outs in this spot, do you call, getting a little less then the best of it, with 14 outs do you call. You know this player very well and know hes only making this move with an over pair. My question really is do you chance it, pick a better spot, does it matter to you if its ring or tourney and at what point would you be willing to ship it with those terrible pot odds in on a flop(how many outs would it take for you to be willing to ship it in that spot)

With 13 outs you're a favorite, there is already dead money in the pot, and in a 1/2 game our opponent with $115 after the flop is short stacked. Is there any question? Call and smile.

huh i dont get it.. Would u flip a coin for 50/50 to win 60 dollars half of the time and lose 100 half of the time..

My bad, miscalculation on my part.. Let me rephrase.. more like flipping a coin to win 160 and lose 100.. its a call.

chowie said:

huh i dont get it.. Would u flip a coin for 50/50 to win 60 dollars half of the time and lose 100 half of the time.. trivial fold to me..

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What? It's $100 to win $160. We're getting 1.6 to 1, so we need to win like 38% of the time. We win here like 50%. Folding is a mistake.

Haha.. Yea realized i made a pretty dumb calculation error.. Edited my post already..

Yea, I would easily go for it!

It's a great situation.

Just piling on to what everyone else is saying, but yeah, go for it!

Fold, because online poker is rigged.

c9h13no3 said:

Fold, because online poker is rigged.

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Nah call for 100$ on the flop, miss turn and fold for the other 15.

marginal said:

Nah call for 100$ on the flop, miss turn and fold for the other 15.

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lmao

absolutly your gonna win more thimes then lose on this hand so the roe is very good for calling. i call this every single time i have it no matter how much is in ht epot

Are we talking a gutshot plus flush draw? That is only 12 outs but you have 47% equity in the pot. Open ended straight plus flush is 15 outs with 54% equity.

Don't think it's not a call but it isn't exactly a 50/50 flip

These are the kinds of spots you WANT to get in...great value and a ton of outs. If you think about folding this hand you may want to reexamine your way of playing.

I'd call within reason yes you are the favourite but your still very much behind, so many times I've tried to follow this logic and gone bust nothing worse than being so commited on a flush and straight draw thinking you can't lose cause of so many outs and omg what happens you miss completely,

If you need to double up then sure etc, but if you are facing a shove where calling and missing would cripple you is foolish imo your more or less relying on that luck factor to get you by.

I dunno I just hate coinflipping, theres a time when I do do it and don't hesitate to do so but would very much like to avoid any coinflip situations regardless if I am the favourite or not at all costs. especially when all you have is air but I dunno we all play different.

marginal said:

Nah call for 100$ on the flop, miss turn and fold for the other 15.

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+1 everytime especially with 23 soooooted.

Happy to get it in on the flop. Since we're in a cash game, and we have more buy-ins behind should we get stacked. If we're at risk to get stacked here, we've pretty much been looking for an excuse to get our money into a situation like this.

lektrikguy said:

These are the kinds of spots you WANT to get in...great value and a ton of outs. If you think about folding this hand you may want to reexamine your way of playing.

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I call as i want
those odds against an over pair. And when ya hit it`s sweet

Don't think of this situation as well he currently has the best hand think of the 2 hands as equity aka their share of the current pot. You rate to win $15 of that current pot over the long run in this situation as well as half of what ever villan shoved. If you fold now and always when you have 13 outs to villans shove then you are loosing $15 every time your in this situation. That can get very expensive and without question more expensive than if you called and lost this 1 time. Short-term results make these situations more difficult to deal with sometimes.

Top pair plus open end straight draw = call

Kidsoldja said:

So this is mainly a hypothetical question, and Ive actually faced a similar situation before playing 1/2 cash. So i want to know what people think about this situation in a ring game and in a tournament. Say you flop a draw and you have 13 outs to hit the draw. You lead out 15 in to a pot of say 30, and then a tag player who only plays big over pairs this way shoves all in over top for 115. The pot odds are terrible you need to call 100 more to win 160. With 13 outs in this spot, do you call, getting a little less then the best of it, with 14 outs do you call. You know this player very well and know hes only making this move with an over pair. My question really is do you chance it, pick a better spot, does it matter to you if its ring or tourney and at what point would you be willing to ship it with those terrible pot odds in on a flop(how many outs would it take for you to be willing to ship it in that spot)

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For big pots, big money, you’ve got to have a good hand. Usually you need the best hand when the money goes in. You may outdraw your opponent but if you make the best hand at the last card, you would have the worst hand until that card. You would have to outdraw him to take the pot, and the player who stays on the worst hand, with the hopes of catching a winner, is going to go broke in the long run if he draws into an overpriced pot.

Specifically in your situation with 13 outs you probably have an open-ended plus a pair. That is 8 outs plus five outs makes it 13 outs. In this case scenario if your opponent has AA and you have 8,7 and the flop is 7,9,10, you are 44.5% vs. 53% and 2.5% ties and this the best scenario where your outs doesn’t touch the aces. If on the other hand you would have had KQ that complements the aces and the flop is K,J,T and opponent still has AA then if you hit your kicker Q the opponent makes the nut straight and you’re drawing two outs for a tie. (the remaining aces to put a straight on the board) In this case you are way behind something like: 29.5% vs. 69.9% and 0.6% ties

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