F4STFORW4RD
Visionary
Silver Level
Do you avoid shortstackers in FR cash games at PS?
Also, what do you classify as a shortstacker?
Do shortstackers exist at PS in microstakes cash games nowadays?
Obviously I read the CotW about table selection before starting to dabble in cash games, and it was written in 2009 when PS were still allowing buy-ins of 20BB. Since then it has been increased by PS to 40BB at microstakes (which is all I'm interested in). The CotW about exploiting shortstackers says:
As a novice player I don't want to sit at the deepstack tables, which are going to be full of sharks, and I want to be trying to find players that are even worse players than me. If I followed the CotW guidelines I would probably never find a table to sit at in the first place, and secondly I would be leaving within about 2 rounds, once the table has 3 shortstackers
So what do you do?
Also, what do you classify as a shortstacker?
Do shortstackers exist at PS in microstakes cash games nowadays?
Obviously I read the CotW about table selection before starting to dabble in cash games, and it was written in 2009 when PS were still allowing buy-ins of 20BB. Since then it has been increased by PS to 40BB at microstakes (which is all I'm interested in). The CotW about exploiting shortstackers says:
But going back to the one on table selection, we are told to re-evaluate whether we want to leave a table after 20 mins, and a few people in those threads have said that they leave as soon as there are three or more shortstackers at the table. One person said that they considered anyone with a stack of less than 50BB to be a SS. So what do you think of as a SS when selecting tables, or re-evaluating whether to leave a table?It is very simple. If there are shortstackers at your table, don't play. Now this may seem like an idealogical statement (especially for those who do loathe shortstackers), but it is possible to put yourself in better spots. Table selection rules involving shortstackers:
1.)NEVER sit at a table with more than 3 more shortstackers
2.)There is a huge difference between 20bb and 60bb people.tables with too many SS's are terrible for our WR. Our WR is not very high against a SS in the first place, so when you add more of them, it only gets worse. Leave tables if they get invested...the fewer the better, always
3.)Deepstack tables don't allow shortstackersDO NOT confuse them. 20bb people are SS's. 60bb buy in short, but are terrible for a whole different set of reasons. You cannot use the same strategy against each, so don't even try to.
So going full circle to answer the original question of “why does everyone hate shortstackers?”...the answer is simple. Because people are too lazy to figure out how to work around them. Too lazy to figure out the simple strategy and hand ranges to call/shove with to beat them. Too lazy to solidify their own game against them, that, oddly enough, would eliminate them. So people don't hate shortstackers, they hate the work (albeit very little in reality) they have to do to beat them. Don't be lazy, put in the work and time to make these shortstackers not only profitable for yourself, but to eventually rid of them.Although these tables tend to be a bit more reg filled, it is much better than sitting with 5 SS's
As a novice player I don't want to sit at the deepstack tables, which are going to be full of sharks, and I want to be trying to find players that are even worse players than me. If I followed the CotW guidelines I would probably never find a table to sit at in the first place, and secondly I would be leaving within about 2 rounds, once the table has 3 shortstackers
So what do you do?