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I'll start it again then shall I? ;)

I didn't really know what to do here. It's a WA/WB situation I guess, but I didn't know what to do because there were two villains rather than one. What do you reckon is the best play?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($12.55)
Button ($2.86)
SB ($6.53)
Hero (BB) ($7.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K
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, K
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UTG bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, Hero raises to $0.50, UTG calls $0.35, SB calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.50) 7
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, 8
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, A
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(3 players)
SB checks,

Hero :confused::confused::confused:
 
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Id bet and if get reraised fold, maybe give up on the turn if just called,depends on villians stats also.
 
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UTG is 18/14, 6% 3bet, 70% Foldto3bet, 46% AfQ (250 hands)
SB is 13/4, 0% 3bet, 50% Foldto3bet, 46& AfQ (190 hands)
 
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ye thats a tuff one,I think alot of the time he'll have some A hand.flop bet and then check/fold turn if called?
 
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I probably try to play as small a pot as possible. I would check back the flop. These guys have AK/Q or bigger pairs 99-AA so the pot should only get big if they have an A.
 
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Raise to .60 pre then ch/f like a boss.
 
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I make it .75 preflop. Don't cbet.
 
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I make it .75 preflop. Don't cbet.

That's a huge 3bet! I usually just go for 3-4X the original raise.

So, in general, I should make larger 3bets if more than one villain is involved? Or is it because I have KK and want to make them pay to try and flop an A? I mean, what if I had AA instead?
 
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Well so far the've folded to 3bets 70% and 50% but I bet if you looked at UTG's fold to 3bet from UTG it would be way lower. You're getting value from a bigger 3bet, yours is way too low, mine is perhaps a little low, WV likes money. Has nothing to do with your exact hand (KK).
 
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Slightly off topic but when you make a decision and perform an action there's a reason behind it, or should be. We have KK and want to extract value, you look at the best way to do this which is a 3bet. Then we decide on a bet size that generates the most value, with these opponents it's way bigger than .50. And most villains at 5nl.
 
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That's a huge 3bet! I usually just go for 3-4X the original raise.

So, in general, I should make larger 3bets if more than one villain is involved? Or is it because I have KK and want to make them pay to try and flop an A? I mean, what if I had AA instead?
In this hand bigger is better for a few reasons.
1) the original raiser was UTG so his range is stronger and he's more likely to put a lot in preflop.
2) there was someone who flatted which means the pot is bigger and they're often the ones to do stupid things like shove over a perceived squeeze with small pairs
3) we're going to be OOP if the original raiser calls and I always bet bigger when that will be the case.

So my 3bet size would be 60 cents without the small blind calling (4x the open size) but I'd basically add the amount of the call to my raise size once the SB calls.
 
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Thanks guys that ^^ is very useful, I wouldn't have considered all those things!

One more question: if in the hand above we had A4s and were 3 betting/squeezing as bluff, should the 3bet size change or should it be the same to make it seem like we have a premium hand.
 
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Thoughts is this a spew?Or is this line with this villain ok?

Merge $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1540784
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BTN: $4.12 18\15-135 hands
SB: $5.72 25\19 3bet 12%-squeeze 27%-270 hands
BB: $12.54
UTG: $1.96
Hero (CO): $9.59

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with J :diamond: K :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB raises to $0.52, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.44
 
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You can make it smaller if you're squeezing (I'd still do 55 or 60) because honestly no one is really paying attention to your bet sizing in spots like this so you really don't have to worry about giving anything away.
 
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Thanks guys that ^^ is very useful, I wouldn't have considered all those things!

One more question: if in the hand above we had A4s and were 3 betting/squeezing as bluff, should the 3bet size change or should it be the same to make it seem like we have a premium hand.
With a 18\14 UTG raiseing i prob just fold A4s
 
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3bet bluff the CO more than UTG his range is weaker and more likely to fold, the result we want.
 
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I'm ok with it Joe, good spot and decent hand imo.
 
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Thoughts is this a spew?Or is this line with this villain ok?

Merge $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1540784
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $4.12 18\15-135 hands
SB: $5.72 25\19 3bet 12%-squeeze 27%-270 hands
BB: $12.54
UTG: $1.96
Hero (CO): $9.59

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with J K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB raises to $0.52, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.44

Brave move, seems OK given the high 3bet stat.
I've never looked at a villains squeeze stat before so I don't know if that is high or not?
Just checking - you are folding if he jams, right?
 
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Brave move, seems OK given the high 3bet stat.
I've never looked at a villains squeeze stat before if i were you i would put it on my HUDso I don't know if that is high or not?
Just checking - you are folding if he jams, right?call a +100bb 5bet shove with KJo what you think?
Obv i fold to a jam.Tricky part is what do i do if he flats range has to be JJ+
 
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His squeeze stat won't have converged too much by now (not enough hands) but his 3bet is reliable especially combined with his VPIP/PFR. He's definately 3betting wide and people tend to 3bet more from the blinds.
 
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i think you can go smaller to like 1.30ish ?
 
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Obv i fold to a jam.Tricky part is what do i do if he flats range has to be JJ+

Obv shouldve thought about that before you 4bet. I think I'd be much more likely to be 4bet shoving a hand like A5s and of course my big hands
 
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i think you can go smaller to like 1.30ish ?

Yea if we are 4 betting light against this type of player, who has such a high %, we need to be doing it smaller.
 
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i think you still continue bet there and then just play poker ... 1/3 pot continue bet probably accomplishes same as 1/2 ... i've been experimenting with betting smaller with mixed results, but overall i think it's working out ... 1/3 can look both weak and strong, so you are probably not giving away much info


maybe a larger 3 bet as some have suggested, but obviously with KK you want some action ... 1 caller would have been ideal, but still you would have to be worried about the same kinda hands ... AA, AK, AQ, well you know ... never fun when A comes out vs. your pocket KKs ... .check calling is also not terrible there ... as an attempt to control the pot size ... more of a math approach


ha, maybe that is what's wrong with my cash game! ... firing bullets is fun, but when A-anything is just going to blindly call you down there without a single worry of being up against a better A or trips


i guess we'll get to see how it all played out!
 
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Obv shouldve thought about that before you 4bet. I think I'd be much more likely to be 4bet shoving a hand like A5s and of course my big hands
I did, if he flats my 4bet his range looks like JJ+ i would believe he would shove AK here.
 
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