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Pre Flop

- Enter with ANY starting hand as long as it is cheap to see (i.e., nobody raises or raise is <= 1 BB). We don't which hand can click, so take chances as long as its cheap to see flop
- Any raises >= 3 BB just fold unless I have AA, AK, KK, QQ

Post Flop

- If I have a 1 card match or no match, just check. Don't raise and if anyone raises > 2BB then just fold
- Bet only if I have 2 card match / set
- If there is a flush or straight possibility then stay in the bets as long as EV is not negative
 
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It s not so simple.

I guess you are talking about no limit texas holdem. There's a lot of things to think: stack, time per level of blinds, the stiles of your opponents...
Maybe your strategy works in some spot, but for all other cases, no.
Each case needs a especific right decision and it don't fits in 1 post.:rolleyes:
 
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I, literally, can not think of a worse strategy preflop or postflop. You are far too loose for a single big blind, and far too tight for a raise. Both are going to lose money.

On the flop, you give up far too easily and make no consideration of the relative strength of your hand. There's no component of aggression. This is fit or fold poker. It's great for me, when my opponents play like this, but it's horrible for them.
 
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What site are you on, and what's your user name? I want to come and take all your chips.
 
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Thanks, what do you think about the below improvements to this?

Pre-Flop:

Instead of ANY, play only if the cards rank high on a combination of below attributes: {high, suited, 0-2 gaps}

I have been winning consistently in cash games with this cheap strategy. Like this is a no risk strategy where you let go of high bet rounds and look at as many cheap flops as possible to bet high only when you have a good match
 
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What site are you on, and what's your user name? I want to come and take all your chips.

This is very different from being a loose player. You cant get much out of me because when you raise high, I won't raise and give you my money. All I give you is my blinds any time. And if I hit big (2-pair, set) I win all of my lost blinds.

When I apply this strategy in cash games, initially I lose my blinds for a while and then I get back all of them and win more.
 
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This is very different from being a loose player. You cant get much out of me because when you raise high, I won't raise and give you my money. All I give you is my blinds any time.

But they're not "blinds". You said you're going in with any two cards, which means you often have to limp in out of position. Cool - I'll charge you for that.

And if I hit big (2-pair, set) I win all of my lost blinds.

Only if I put a lot of my chips in when I don't have the goods, which is unlikely.

So, what's your user name again? :D
 
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But they're not "blinds". You said you're going in with any two cards, which means you often have to limp in out of position. Cool - I'll charge you for that.



Only if I put a lot of my chips in when I don't have the goods, which is unlikely.

So, what's your user name again? :D

I won't limp. The moment I see I don't have a match, I am out. So all you get is blinds.

When I hit big, you may not put in chips if you dont have the goods but in a 9 people table most likely some other person will have the match and will get in. That's how I get the chips.
 
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Here is the philosophy behind my strategy:

Poker is a game of limited information. So try to avoid calling those big raises in the earlier rounds (pre-flop, post-flop) and be more comfortable betting high in the later rounds (river, turn) when you have more information.

The biggest losses I found were when someone raises high pre-flop and I get in just because I have high cards. Only a very little percent of hands match post-flop. This is gambling and not playing with a strategy.

Instead I can save that money out and use it to see more cheap flops which increases my probability of having a match

I'm not saying the traditional way is wrong or something. But I think what I'm saying has a useful place too as a strategy
 
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ask for critique,get it,discard it,and then proceed to tell us your way is better. Got it. Moving on now;)
 
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if you are playing full ring
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part 6 was uploaded wrong and was part 4 repeated

for six max
 
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Thanks Keith, I will go through the videos

What I found is that aggression may not be my kind. I am a safe person in general.

Raising pre-flop even with good hands is scary for me as I believe a lot of initial hands may not form a good one post-flop.

When I analyzed my games, I found I was losing in two main ways:

- Calling other people's bets when all I have is one pair match (even a big one)
- Pre-Flop if someone raises, me calling it

These two lost me most of the money. When I stopped engaging those pre-flop raises and not continue bet high on single card matches, my gains started to improve.
 
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Just something to consider: And this assumes you are a competent player after the flop. : You theoretically make money every time you raise the pot with the best hand pre flop.

A very basic example ignoring position (i know...we dont EVER ignore position but maybe this will help?). Let's say there are 5 of you that will be entering a pot. Lets say that before the cards are dealt you each have a 20% chance of winning the pot.

Next, the cards are dealt....you have a good hand....it likely increases your chances to win...to say......30%. Everyone else's chances have decreased. They are now below 20%. You've stolen a couple of % from each of them.

This is when you should start building a pot. Exploit your advantage. You should definitely raise pre flop here!

If you play safe or scared in this situation you are losing money. The concept is very easy. When u have the best of it...BUILD THE POT. When u have the worst of it keep the pot small or get out of it.
 
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those are very basic steps, common knowledge that hardly can be open to constructive criticism.

Show us a certain example to let evaluate your decisions.

For example, you flop 2 small pair. You bet, an averagestack shoves. What do you do?
 
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Limping is fine but only limp with hands that have actual potential and on a table where on average preflop is passive from all.

Don't fold to 3bb raise if the table is generally aggro preflop just because no QQ still can do with JK and see the damn flop for a 3BB raise from a loose raiser.
 
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Limping is fine but only limp with hands that have actual potential and on a table where on average preflop is passive from all.

Can't think of a valid reason to ever limp in cash games. Only possible reason is if you want to portray the image that you are a clueless fish.
 
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Can't think of a valid reason to ever limp in cash games. Only possible reason is if you want to portray the image that you are a clueless fish.
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Can't think of a valid reason to ever limp in cash games. Only possible reason is if you want to portray the image that you are a clueless fish.


On a table with many passive players who are going with the flow and not raising much unless they got AA or something, you don't know what on Earth you are raising into and are paying in the blind hope your 'hit' on the flop will outdo their 'hit' (as passive players aren't necessarily loose so are only really paying you off in any big sense if they also hit and are almost guaranteed to scare you at the flop if they notice you aren't raising at all).

With many passive players on a table with a hand like 7 9 but a few have folded on a very passive table overall it's a 'why not' hand to be limping in with. A hand like 7 9 is one of those hands where when K 9 7 shows, you can easily bring out the worst in a K-hitter and since they are confused as your meta-play is to limp preflop with nearly any hand tha tyou're willing to play, they can't understand wha tyou're doing and will call you as long as your raises aren't too big.

If the table is aggressive in general preflop, limping in again can help you as you can see the AMOUNT they raise and then avoid being trapped by having put in 3BB to some maniac raising yo to 7BB who would easily be doing that with something as simple as 10J nonetheless, if you are near to UTG, be aggressive so you get a couple folds as such a table does make people more submissive preflop and imply the general consensus is TAG overall.
 
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So Rational Madman, you are saying that limping is good on passive and aggressive tables? You are saying that this is a winning strategy? I just want to be a little more clear here.
 
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Since I am 9-max specialist I will only talk 9-max.
So Rational Madman, you are saying that limping is good on passive and aggressive tables? You are saying that this is a winning strategy? I just want to be a little more clear here.


On passive table, From UTG-1 to MP-2, limping is definitely good, raising would just make people all risk more and confuse you because now people in BB, SB may 'superraise' to iso-bet and you are on backfoot as you have 0 reads which is what you really are paying for preflop, the ability to know you are not against some weird hand like 8 5 to better narrow down where you stand vs opponents once the flops gets there but on loose-pass PF tendency tables you should just limp with something like A 10.

From MP-3 to Dealer, if many have called, limp but if you notice it's less than usual and only 2 or so have limped, go ahead and raise a little, this may actually mean more once flop hits as they are responding TO YOUR actions much more than out of fear or greed towards the general cards which most passive fish do in many-men flops. In SB or BB, you have the best analysis of just how many are in the hand, never iso-bet with a loose passive crowd preflop, only raise with few (as I said).

With aggro tables total opposite strategy should be taken, you are going to unleash a cork in an exploding champagne bottle if you start raising into LAG people who have suddenly enabled you to get a cheap view at the flop if you're in a position ranging from cut-off to BB but from UTG-1 to MP-2 you should be raising just to discourage a few would-be reraisers who dont fear YOU but the aggressive psychos after them) see how it works?
 
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can't think of a reason to play 79 in a multiway pot either. I'd only play it as a blind steal on the button against nitty blinds.
 
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if your a good player with this straetgy ...and profit its good....play with your strategy
 
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can't think of a reason to play 79 in a multiway pot either. I'd only play it as a blind steal on the button against nitty blinds.
blind steal vs nits on button is done by raising not limping.
 
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