Crazy loose / agressive game - help pls!

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Hi all,

So I'm a tourney player - always have been. I play a little cash once in a while, but I've spent a majority of my poker like learning how to cash in multi table tournaments. Recently I've been playing a weekly tournament at a local snooker club. There is a cash game which runs concurrently (and also on Weekdays) and I decided to jump in. It has to be the loosest and most aggressive game i've ever played in. Its a 1/1, and most players buy in for between 50 and 100. Pretty much every person calls the blind, and if its bumped to anything less than 10, I'd say that at least half the table snap calls. 10-2, J-4, Q-5 are common hands in showdowns. I honestly have no idea how to approach this? Play tight as hell? That didn't work because when I raise with KK pre flop I get 4 callers, one of which will somehow hit his 2 pair or straight on the turn or river. Play loose and go with the flow and play ever flop hoping to hit? I honestly have no idea. I was up over 400 the first hour I played on Sat, but ended up dumping it all back in plus some by the end of the night. Any suggestions appreciated!!

Piggie

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Increase the aggression and play with a bigger bankroll to handle the increased variance. If you are getting multiple callers with a 10x raise then go to 15x then 20x then 25x then open shove, whichever amount gets you 1-2 callers. With a lot of short stacks on the table, open shoving is not bad if there is a high likelihood of getting a caller.

Or don't play that game.
 
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I think your second piece of advise might be the best course of action, but I just know that theres soo much money to be taken from this table if I can just figure out the approach!!
 
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For your example KK, I would raise with "pot".
And if you get a lot of calls and no A in the flop re-raise again with "(increased) pot" With an A in the flop and a raise from someone else : fold otherwise check,
If you get a re-raise I would re-raise also with the "pot"
Sometimes you will lose this hand, sometimes you win, but when you win the pot will be big and this will easy level out the losses. When you raise really aggressive and everybody folds you will only have the blinds, this is a waste of a very nice hand.
 
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For your example KK, I would raise with "pot".
And if you get a lot of calls and no A in the flop re-raise again with "(increased) pot" With an A in the flop and a raise from someone else : fold otherwise check,
If you get a re-raise I would re-raise also with the "pot"
Sometimes you will lose this hand, sometimes you win, but when you win the pot will be big and this will easy level out the losses. When you raise really aggressive and everybody folds you will only have the blinds, this is a waste of a very nice hand.

The problem is if I raise the pot I'll probably get 4-5 callers. If the flop comes junk I can be comfortable someone has hit at least a pair, and if I then bet I'll get called all the way to the river with sweet FA, and by that point my Kings are no longer that strong.
 
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Forgot to ask but if they rake from each pot then don't play as the only long term winner will be the house.
 
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I agree with the suggestion not to play the game in the first place. That kind of loose play removes skill entirely from the scenario and just makes it one big crapshoot.
 
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Literally just wait for pocket QQ or better, and AKsuited. And open raise to like 15$ then if they 3 bet, then 4bet shove (although probably don't 4bet shove with AKs...). If they don't 3bet pre then bet 1.5 times the pot to 2 times the pot on the flop if the board is safe. Its high varience so you'll need to be rolled properly, but if the table is that bad you'll come out ahead. Players like that will probably try to bluff catch with horrible hands
 
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I agree with the suggestion not to play the game in the first place. That kind of loose play removes skill entirely from the scenario and just makes it one big crapshoot.

No way, that's easy money!



Also: Learn to watch for tells
 
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When I play online or (rarely) get out into a card room (because of where I live), I will adjust my play based on who's sitting there. Trying to be aggressive against aggressive players is a good way to lose money. Just play tight. Even your QQ+ will not win all the time due to suckouts (or they might even have a good hand). But, it's the best way to approach those tables IMO.

Tight tables? Play loose. C-bet more after the flop in position, 3-5x raises pre-flop with decent hands in position, etc. You will gain a small edge.

In most games, even the amatuers will start to pick up on what you are doing. When they do, adjust your play.

Takes A TON of practice to master. I sure haven't, but I'm working on it everyday :)
 
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Forget the poker and play snooker. This sounds worse than the wildest freeroll games where players go all in with zip. It is tempting to think of the money to be won, but these plonkers are not there to play poker, they are there to gamble. A major difference.
 
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1st question was let's say you bought in for 100 & U were up $400 why didn't U leave? You had quadrupled your buy-in? Isn't that enough for you?

Secondly if everyone was jumping off a bridge would you as you put it "go with the flow"? Most people lose $ in poker because they "go with the flow" of being a bad player. You should NOT join them.

Thirdly you have no idea how lucky you are to have at least 80% of the table be so atrocious. A lot of poker players dream of this scenario. You should continue playing tight & if people want to stay in with bottom pair hoping to catch a 2nd pair vs your overpair then PUNISH them by making huge bets. Eventually if you go into the hand with the best hand time after time after time U will WIN.

Please don't be discouraged if people suck out on you. You don't realize how much of a blessing it is to have people play so abysmally. You want people to play bad. Just because people play bad & may get lucky definitely does NOT mean U should do the same.

I apologize if it sounds like I'm being mean, but in all reality I am being BRUTALLY honest & I want you to realize how lucky you are to be in this position of playing with horrible players.
 
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Play a little bit tighter, fold early
Position more and re raise in position with wider range (include suited connectors) and c bet always half pot or more on most flops. Limp re raise more often with strong hands ( big raises, often you can cope with 70/30 spots in your favour).
 
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Use the position to do your moves. This is the best strattegy, I think.
Use the cutoff, and button and sometimes your blinds if you have potodds :)
Gl and hf ! :)
 
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