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Okay, so it seems like every single regular on the planet has read an article about 3-betting light when playing NLHE 6 max. And while 4-bet bluffing is great, its also high variance, and people start to catch on.
So my question is, what else can we do to counter act light 3-betting strategies? I'm just gonna throw out some ideas, some conventional, and some very non-conventional. Hopefully this will spawn some good discussion (or you guys telling me how terribad my ideas are) similar to the 4-bet bluffing thread.
1) Tighten up preflop. This is pretty obvious. However, most regs play very tight (most have less than 20% VPIP, even at 6 max). Additionally, we're often really deep against regs (since we're both eating fish), so we want the disguise factor that raising gives us.
2) Limp more & mix in some limp/3-bets. Now, I generally hate open-limping. But if we're consistently getting 3-bet from players in late position, would it make more sense to limp/call and own them postflop (since there's a lot of spewy postflop regs), or limp/3-bet? Its hard to have a real edge against regs these days preflop, so does it make sense to make a -EV move preflop in order to get them to make bigger mistakes postflop? Would limp/calling a hand like KJs in the cutoff to a button raise be that bad if villain raises a huge portion of his range on the button? Mixing in some limp/3-bets might also be nice as well? Its a move I've never used (really, never), so I'd like some feedback on it.
3) Squeeze trap. So if we're against some squeezy players in the blind/button, what kinds of hands are we looking to squeeze trap with? We also forgoe a lot of value when we don't 3-bet, and end up heads up with a hand like QQ/JJ with a lot of money behind.
4) Never 4-bet, and extend our 3-bet calling range. Some players 3-bet really light, especially from the blinds. And they usually 3-bet a very polarized range. Since they do so, can we call in position with a wider range than just AQs+/TT+? If so, what hands are we looking to float 3-bets with? Is KQos good enough? 99? And by never 4-betting, our range for calling 3-bets should then be really strong, and it adds some deception for when we hold AK/QQ+. However, we really miss out on some value by not value 4-betting our big hands.
But yeah, these days, I think preflop poker has a really small edge. But obviously there's gotta be some way, or combination of ways, to exploit players these days that have a wide 3-betting range.
Discuss?
So my question is, what else can we do to counter act light 3-betting strategies? I'm just gonna throw out some ideas, some conventional, and some very non-conventional. Hopefully this will spawn some good discussion (or you guys telling me how terribad my ideas are) similar to the 4-bet bluffing thread.
1) Tighten up preflop. This is pretty obvious. However, most regs play very tight (most have less than 20% VPIP, even at 6 max). Additionally, we're often really deep against regs (since we're both eating fish), so we want the disguise factor that raising gives us.
2) Limp more & mix in some limp/3-bets. Now, I generally hate open-limping. But if we're consistently getting 3-bet from players in late position, would it make more sense to limp/call and own them postflop (since there's a lot of spewy postflop regs), or limp/3-bet? Its hard to have a real edge against regs these days preflop, so does it make sense to make a -EV move preflop in order to get them to make bigger mistakes postflop? Would limp/calling a hand like KJs in the cutoff to a button raise be that bad if villain raises a huge portion of his range on the button? Mixing in some limp/3-bets might also be nice as well? Its a move I've never used (really, never), so I'd like some feedback on it.
3) Squeeze trap. So if we're against some squeezy players in the blind/button, what kinds of hands are we looking to squeeze trap with? We also forgoe a lot of value when we don't 3-bet, and end up heads up with a hand like QQ/JJ with a lot of money behind.
4) Never 4-bet, and extend our 3-bet calling range. Some players 3-bet really light, especially from the blinds. And they usually 3-bet a very polarized range. Since they do so, can we call in position with a wider range than just AQs+/TT+? If so, what hands are we looking to float 3-bets with? Is KQos good enough? 99? And by never 4-betting, our range for calling 3-bets should then be really strong, and it adds some deception for when we hold AK/QQ+. However, we really miss out on some value by not value 4-betting our big hands.
But yeah, these days, I think preflop poker has a really small edge. But obviously there's gotta be some way, or combination of ways, to exploit players these days that have a wide 3-betting range.
Discuss?
