could i have played this better? flopped a flush!

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So I was playing live cash game at the Bicycle Casino in LA.

I sat down at a 1-3 NL with $300, the maximum.
I've been playinf for about an hour and been playing tight.
I havnt got involved in many pots but due to blinds and a hand I raised and then folded on the flop to a better hand, I was at about $275.
I wanted to give off a solid image and use it toward my advantage as deception later on.

UTG limps, 4 and 5 limp, I'm on the button with 5c3c. I figure everyone limped, I'm in position and I didnakt feel the blinds would raise. So I limped bc it was cheap. I could have raised an try to isolate or cut the field, but I wanted to see a cheap flop. If I missed, that would have been the end of it.
So small blind calls and bb checks.

Flop: 6Q9 ALL CLUBS

small blind checks, big blind bets 6$ with a stack of about $150 now my read was that he was a weaker player. I saw him make small bets like that out of position a handful of times in the past and confirmed that it was more of a probe bet than for value.
UTG, with a stack of about $140 raises to $30. SHE was a very tight player. Bet it when she had it, checked when she didn't. Never saw her make a move, and always raised with an ace.
It folded back to me. I raised to $90.
Bb thinks and says "man I could be drawing dead." But decides to only call. (WTF?)
Then UGT goes all_in.
I went all in, and bb called.

Turn: 6s
River:Kd

Bb: 10c2c
UTG:66
UTG wins main ot with quads and BB wins side with hire flush.

I know I obviously could have raised preflop from the button. But I gave my reasons why I didn't. It was cheap, and I felt I was deep stack enough to see cheap flops.
My question is, should I have just called the $30 raise frm UTG and see what happens? Fold if the board pairs, or if another club comes? I mean, I could have but that feels so weak and passive. At the time, I thought my hand was best.
My 2nd question is, should I have folded after UTG shoved all in? Or am I just a straight up donk for calling. There was so much money in the pot. And I felt BB could have been on a potential draw.

I know this one is long. But any feedback is great. I know I could improve somewhere, so please critique.

Love and respect,

Wlee013
 
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With the reads you said you had on the BB, I would've folded. I don't like letting flushes go period, but you said it yourself that you hadn't seen her make a move. And with the other guys comment, I really wouldn't have been too worried about him at the time. But a shove tells you straight to your face that this person is willing to play this hand to the end with all their chips. Do you really want to be holding 3c5c with someone telling you that? The only hand you had beat really was 24c.

But, imo, 35c is an instafold period. It's a very dominated hand (as you came to find out the hard way). Really, the only hand you can hit with it is either nut straight or straight flush and be sure that your hand is the best.
 
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Couple of things to think about -

1. In a limped pot, baby flushes are likely dominated by bigger flushes in heavy multiway action (who's going to bet hard into a monotone flop other than AA w the nut fd, sets, and flushes?). I'd be more interested in playing this flop hard in a raised HU pot, where it's more likely villain is holding a pair and drawing to a flush (or drawing to a fh, even better). So if you're going to limp 53s on the button behind multiple limpers (which I don't like much, but don't hate either), you need to be prepared to toss it in the face of heavy action in a limped pot on a flush flop (a nut straight would be different, chances of being outdrawn by a higher straight are minimal if anyone's dumb enough to try outdrawing it).

2. If you could've seen bb's hand on the flop, obv you would've folded.

3. If you could've seen utg's hand on the flop, you would NOT have folded to that hand. A flush is a 65% favorite to win the hand. She hit her 35% fh/quad outs to win the hand.
 
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Limping with 53s on the button isn't so bad in a live game, raising with 53s on the button would be dumb though. It costs you too much money. On the button you need outs + a bluff to make these plays proffitable, 53 doesn't have enough potential to win the hand for me to open up raising. Maybe on the flop if I flop some outs I'll turn it into a bluff.

BB said "I might be drawing dead" which means he's either gambling or deceiving. When this is a guy who flat calls another $84 unless he's very drunk, I'm considering folding my hand. Having already put $90 into the pot, I maybe find it difficult to fold, since depending on the situation his words can mean a hand or not, but I think I'm folding. Especially after believing UTG was strong, I'm smelling enough trouble in this hand that my baby flush isn't going to lose me any more money.
By the way, I really did call BB's hand (moderate to strong flush) before I finished reading your post, either that's dumb luck or enough information was available.

I think you could have seen a turn card. I mean, getting it all in on the flop isn't bad. $1/$3NL you're still going to get called by a lot of hands that you have beat if you put your chips in on the flop but by seeing a turn card if it's another club it's an easy fold, a paired board might still cause some trouble (you'd have to rely on UTG giving away her hand here) but more importantly than any of that you get to see another round of betting before you commit any chips.
I think seeing a turn card is going to be more profitable in the long term, but would still commit my chips on the flop with a small flush occasionaly.
 
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...i agree with you not raising preflop...not sure if i agree with you raising first time around...i dont think it gives much knowledge to you, maybe first person would fold, but tight person woulda calling if she is that tight, plus great value for her...id have called, ad seen turn river..but after utg going all in, and tight person called, its an automatic fold without question...sure it sucks to lay dow a flopped flush, but u gotta ask what can u beat...possible an ace high flush draw, but thats it...2 all ins, u gtotta figure ur behind, and no chance of really improving your hand
 
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I agree with your actions ONLY till u raised to 90$, that too NOT 100% but say 60% as there was a risk involved as it was little obvious that any of the two would have had a higher flush...
But after the BB called and the UTG went allin, i would have folded for sure, cause for now it was more than obvious that at least one of them had a higher flush...
Thats what i think buddy..
 
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ok i havent read any of the other posts but here we go


firstly you were playing tight because of the blinds?? doesnt make any sense to me really. its true that when antes are out there you should be stealing more pots, but you sat down with 100 bb's, no real reason to play supertight here, especially as you are so deep..


ok next thing "i limped because it was cheap" ok well fair enough, my line of thinking would be "ok well i have a weak hand sure, but it plays really well multiway and im looking to play this to hopefully get someones entire stack. i would never advise raising here, it defeats the purpose of the hand your playing. so i like the call preflop

on the flop is pretty interesting of course.

the lead out to me seemed like a bet that was scared of the flush draw, or infact i see a lot of weak players bet draws similarly. the raise from the super tight player for me deserves respect. i would probably advise calling and seeing the turn card. if its a club or the board pairs you can bail, the problem with play small suited connectors like that is that sometimes you will be up against a higher flush, but that doesnt happen often enough for you to be worried about it.

if it was me, i would definately just called the raise and see what developes, if a bad card comes on the river you can bail and it only cost you 30.

all in all i think the turn raise was the only bad play if your gonna raise to knock people off potential draws that could counterfeit your hand, then you gotta raise bigger, your pretty much giving them odds to call you with say ace clubs and a pair, you sorta had the all ins in a cash game as you were heavily invested. you could fold i guess after your raise but i wouldnt advise making big laydowns like this too often it will hurt you in the long run. and whatever you do, dont let your opponants know you just made a huge laydown, your advertising to let them bluff you again.
 
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