consistently losing in micro stakes

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so i usually start my br at 100 dollars and i play .02/.05 with max buyins, i multi table 6 tables which imo is small enough for me to know whats going on. i dont use a poker tracker or any HUDS as i feel like that would just take away from profit even more. I cant seem to build a bank roll at all though playing these, in fact ive probably lost 250 bucks in the past 2 months and id estimate that ive played around 50k hands. I usually limp with medium pps and raise 3x with kj or higher. my main loss is i constantly lose my whole stack with aa or kk, i usually get my raises called, and ill make c-bets, and i run into some idiot who hits a flush or a set. ive been reading these forums a lot lately but i cant figure out how to beat micros...any tips?!?
 
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Here's some things I saw when I peeked at your history (assuming you use the same forum name @ fulltilt):

1) Your preflop is looking good. Except one hand I saw you limp in with JTo, why didn't you raise it since you was the first to open?
2) You're way too passive post flop. Most bet sizes were really low giving others better odds to keep playing their hand or draws. Also why not reraising when have you very strong hands?

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3) Don't forget your table image. If your last few hands played went south others will start to call your raised pots more. When that happens, tighten up a lot until you can come back with something very strong.
 
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Have you tried PT3 or HEM? A HUD has definitely helped my game. It would be worth a shot.
 
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Anyone who hits a set on you isn't an idiot. That's what playing small-medium pps is for: to hit a set for that massive implied odds against someone who can't fold an overpair.
In 6-max, never, ever open limp. Raise every goddamn hand you want to play! Remember, if it's good enoough for a call, it's definitely good enough for a raise. Limping behind others is okay though.
In micros, bet your good hand hards until you face resistance. By the turn, if all you have is an overpair and your turn bet gets raised, get out! Your opponent has told you he can beat one pair, so be less stubborn and fold that AA, KK, QQ.
 
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im not very comfortable with 6 max, i tried those out before and its just not my style, also my KKs run into AAs preflop a lot, and another thing...what should i be doing with AK preflop?
 
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wat

AA vs. KK is like every other hand in FR. 6-max you stack off happily a hell of a lot lighter than KK.
 
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nray25 said:
and another thing...what should i be doing with AK preflop?
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Raise unopened pot. Play it as a strong hand, but be willing to fold it if your opponents show a lot of resistance.

One of my biggest mistakes used to be playing this hand all the way to showdown no matter what :eek: I learned the lesson quick after I lost a couple of all-ins :D
 
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I don't see how using A HUD gets in the way of profit. In the money you've already blown you could have bought PT3 or HEM several times over. When you're multitabling, you can't get a good range on your villains. If you knew someone was playing 60% of his hands only pre-flop raising 5% of them, wouldn't you play him differently than someone who's in 15% and preflop raising 12%? You could avoid getting stacked off with the hands you're discussing if you have a better idea of what someone is going to enter the pot with. There's no excuse to not have a HUD. I'd also stop with the 6max and switch to fullring. It looks like you're playing too passive post-flop for 6max right now.
 
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ill definitely look into a HUD, edgie i never play 6 max, i play FR, and thx for the tips.
 
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how should i play low/mid pps if im the first one in? i usually raise every hand when im the first to act but should i be limping low/mid pps or not playing them?
 
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Low and pocket pairs in early pos. I have seen the top micro players 3-4 bet them every time and be succesful at 1,000 of hands they have played them . And have seen other top micro players limp call them 1,000 of hands and be successful.. I would say if your post flop play is weak maybe limp. If you have good post flop play, bet them everytime..Imo :banghead: :dontknow: But if you raise 3-4 time BB utg with 44 and get two callers behind you its tough when flop comes higher than the 4 LOL.. If only one player calls you, cbet flop 3/4 pot no matter what and see what they do.
 
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Adding to this above. I would suggest play a session that everytime you get pocket pairs early position raise it 3 1/2 x BB. Then your next session you do, try the opposite limp pocket pairs early position evertime just to experiment and change tit up a little. Dont fall in love with your hand when they shoot over the top of you.. Dont Tilt
 
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Low/Mid pocket pairs give you a nice edge when you're the first to open. You get to c-bet with any broadway cards that come out on the flop, which can give you the win if they fold, or if they choose to call and you're in position half the time they will check the turn, so you could end up taking a free card to see what comes on the river. Same trick works great for weak players if you're shooting for some draw. If you're out of positive just play it a little tighter post flop.
 
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nray25 said:
so i usually start my br at 100 dollars and i play .02/.05 with max buyins, i multi table 6 tables which imo is small enough for me to know whats going on. i dont use a poker tracker or any HUDS as i feel like that would just take away from profit even more. I cant seem to build a bank roll at all though playing these, in fact ive probably lost 250 bucks in the past 2 months and id estimate that ive played around 50k hands. I usually limp with medium pps and raise 3x with kj or higher. my main loss is i constantly lose my whole stack with aa or kk, i usually get my raises called, and ill make c-bets, and i run into some idiot who hits a flush or a set. ive been reading these forums a lot lately but i cant figure out how to beat micros...any tips?!?
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Assuming you're nray25 on FTP you're sample size is only 15K and almost 1/2 of those are at 10nl which is outside of even optimistic BRM. Your big losing hands are AK (by far), AJ, A9, QT. You are negative with AA AND KK which means you're just not playing them very well in all likelihood. Stick around CC. Read the golden archives. Read some HA posts. Realize you're not even 1/4 as good as you think and work on it. You can become a winner but yo have to stop blaming everything but yourself for losing first.
 
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how should i be playing AA KK and QQ? it seems like i run into AK a lot with QQ and they almost always catch their cards. i always bet the pot for these cards and id say that more than 50% of the time either they fold to me preflop, or they get lucky and hit a set.
 
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nray25 said:
how should i be playing AA KK and QQ? it seems like i run into AK a lot with QQ and they almost always catch their cards. i always bet the pot for these cards and id say that more than 50% of the time either they fold to me preflop, or they get lucky and hit a set.
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These questions are fairly impossible to answer in isolation - get the hand history and post it in the HA (Hand Analysis) section, you need to adjust your play for a number of different factors (stack sizes, villain, board texture to name just 3) so there is rarely a hard and fast rule.

Post the hands and you'll learn a great deal - similiarly read over some old ones and think what you would do in those situations then read the responses to see how your thought process differs.
 
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These questions are fairly impossible to answer in isolation - get the hand history and post it in the HA (Hand Analysis) section, you need to adjust your play for a number of different factors (stack sizes, villain, board texture to name just 3) so there is rarely a hard and fast rule.

Post the hands and you'll learn a great deal - similiarly read over some old ones and think what you would do in those situations then read the responses to see how your thought process differs.
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Agreed. OP if you want help with your big pairs please post some specific hands but I think this thread is heading no where.
 
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