Originally Posted by Flops'm&Bets'm
Checking in the Dark is usually an accepted play when, there is one player that is Pot-Committed on an All-In, and 2 other players are in on the action with the hands they have, so the say to each other check in the dark?? and agree to see it down. To perhaps beat out the one that may get bumped out of a Tournament, rather than isolate the play and end up losing the pot and causing the guy that folded to have won and taking the All-In Player out.
I have seen this in WPT events, on TV, at Binions (Downtown Chad Brown - host)
But I have seen where the isolation play let someone back in. The Aussie Millions 2007, I believe. Jimmy Fricke (luck bag) Bet into a Pot with 3- players in the action (Andrew Black, I believe was the player he got to fold), Isolated the All-In Player on the flop and lost to a better hand, where the Best hand folded due to chip Lead agression. I believe it was K-7d suited and would have won the pot and knocked out the All-In..(either trips 7's or the flush)
So, whats better in this instance..Play the All-in 3 handed to 'knock-out' an opponent in a Tournament..or double him up out of greed??
Checking in the Dark Pre-Flop is only binding when it is agreed upon...means no looking at your cards.
This usually happens when it has been folded around to the small blind that limps in. Or by saying you can bet whatever on your hand, and I will call in the dark as long as we check it down, to the river.
This usually happens when the 'blind call' player has a Huge stack vs. a crippled stack, and a mercy 'let luck decide' play..The Pro's do this in a 'Confidence' move to give a 'Loose' impression. Like in Daniel Negreanu..will say "OK, Let's Gamble"...and Mike Matisow (for what ever reason) does this often..like thats gonna help his game any??
You have "checking it down" and "check in the dark" mixed up.
checking it down - used when you have an all-in player and you and any other player(s) still with chips silently agree
(if you say anything then that can be considered collusion and risk giving you a penalty: whatever the tournament has set up from 10-15 sitting out to surrendering this hand) to check all the way to the showdown in hopes of knocking out an opponent to move up the ladder in a tournament. This is most commonly used once in the money. Allows both players to see all 5 cards as cheap as possible in hopes of knocking the all-in out.
check in the dark - a live game move when a player that is first to act in the next round says "check" before he/she actually sees the card(s) turned over. Used to try to hide strenght by relinquishing rights to act before phyically seeing the next card.
The last part about calling any riase in the dark but check it down after that can work when heads up because you have nobody else to collude with so you and another player can agree to do something like that. PS - any agreement like that is not binding and the big stack can still be a jerk and push or do what ever they want each round so buyer be ware.