check raising good or bad ???

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Ok i have done a check raise here and there, and it seams to get them out of the pot, or they will call, at that point what should i do...??
Should i fire out a raise on the flop, turn , and river???? as long as i am not looking at any draws on the board...
Or should i let him fire out a bet and check raise him again?

I do see why check raising is a powerful tool in poker.
 
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check-raising is done for two reasons

1) as a bluff
2) attempt to get more value w/ a big hand

Either way.. if someone cold-calls a check/raise you have to ask yourself why they would do that. It could be they are a bad player and didn't recognize it (especially if flop is multi-way), or they could have a bigger hand and are trying to let you hang yourself.

You have to read their hand. If you think they called the C/R on a draw and no scare card hits on the turn.. fire out another bet.. I would not C/R multiple times in a hand (anyone else have thoughts on this?).. so if your C/R gets called, you fire a bet on the turn and get raised.. I'm out of that pot pretty quick unless I have a monster. The other option of course is to take a free card if you C/R has forced villain to back off and you have a draw.
 
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That puts light on it thanks spoer ... I don't see it alot in 2nl and when it happens, i know to get out :)...
 
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Depends on many points...
Try to vary your game be using the check raise.
If you play against a player that will throw his hand probably away if you do it use it as a bluff.
If you got a player that will probably bet again on the river do not use it if you think he is bluffing...
Depends on the situation. But it is a powerful move!
 
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Check/Raise is a powerful tool. I don't like to use it to much.
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i read somwhere that beginners and small stake players use it way to often. yip thats me , on line players are so aggresive that i find the ol check raise to be a very profitable tool.it only works as a bluff against players that are using position to steal the pot.
i find that a lot of players will call a check raise on the flop only to fold to a bet on the turn.
 
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Thanks guys/gals.. And i shall use it a bit more, when the time calls for it :)
 
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it only works as a bluff against players that are using position to steal the pot.
i find that a lot of players will call a check raise on the flop only to fold to a bet on the turn.

I find the same thing. If villain's bet was not a total bluff but a powerful draw instead, he might call a medium-sized check-raise to 1) protect his initial bet 2) pot odds to call (might depend on how much real estate between you & villain, did others call in between?) 3) to save face. If you fire a bet the turn, he realizes that you cannot be easily persuaded to fold. And if he doesn't hit, will likely fold.

check-raising is done for two reasons

1) as a bluff
2) attempt to get more value w/ a big hand

Either way.. if someone cold-calls a check/raise you have to ask yourself why they would do that. It could be they are a bad player and didn't recognize it (especially if flop is multi-way), or they could have a bigger hand and are trying to let you hang yourself.

You have to read their hand. If you think they called the C/R on a draw and no scare card hits on the turn.. fire out another bet.. I would not C/R multiple times in a hand (anyone else have thoughts on this?).. so if your C/R gets called, you fire a bet on the turn and get raised.. I'm out of that pot pretty quick unless I have a monster. The other option of course is to take a free card if you C/R has forced villain to back off and you have a draw.

I would never check-raise as a total bluff. Even as a semi-bluff (top pair with flush draw), I'd use it sparingly. And for the same scenario as you describe, you fire another one on the run, and this time you get reraised. :eek:

I do it for added value - lots of added value when I flop a monster. But it will rarely if ever happen multiple times in a hand, and here's why: I will usually wait until the turn to do it. You can extract more value that way from 1) others calling the villain's smaller raise, 2) give your opponents a chance to hit a lesser hand, and 3) your image of weakness in the hand will probably result in villain firing a much larger bet after the turn to shake you off it. So, yeah, he's either gonna call my reraise or reraise me back right there and then. If he's just calling, and I'm confident Imy hand is good, I'll bet the river too for additional vaue, because I don't think he's gonna come out and bet again. I might check-raise on the flop if I have the nuts at the moment (like top set), but can be more easily outdrawn. Unless I've flopped a monster, if it's a wet flop I'm more likely probably discard the check-raise stunt and come out & bet.

But there's nothing more fun than launching a surprise rebuttal and watching the clocks tick down - or better yet, a call or 2. :D
 
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I check raise quite often and it is very profitable on carbon poker as there are way too many aggressive players. I check raise allot of my draws for a number of reasons - as always betting gives you two chance to win the hand. Check raising increases the pot if my draw does come and more times than not it slows down the betting of the aggressor. if they bet 300 and I check raise to 900 let's say I can avoid the 1200 maybe2k bet on the turn.
 
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if im playing against weaker opponents, ill do it quite a bit more than if im playing stronger ones. in my experience, check raising a solid player may work once, maybe even twice, but your not gonna get the same player to bite at it and most likely, no one else at the table will either once you do it.
 
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I only check raise on holdem cash games with top pair and a strong drawing hand to go along with it almost like a semibluff hand. Remember people naturally take offense to aggression so dont be surprised if someone goes all in overtop your reraise. A solid player with good hand reading ability will do this to you so be careful who you check raise. I usually only use the check raise against tight/passive play styles or tight aggressive. Never try it on a loose player he will try and donk off on you everytime.
 
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