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Not for analysis, but thought it was worth sharing....(unless you have thoughts about how I played it...)


PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:diamond: Q:diamond:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond: 6:diamond: 4:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

Turn: (55.4 BB, 2 players) 8:diamond:
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (55.4 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero bets 48.6 BB and is all-in, MP calls 48.6 BB

Hero shows A:diamond: Q:diamond: (Straight Flush, Eight High) (Pre 46%, Flop 97%, Turn 99%)
MP shows J:spade: J:club: (Straight Flush, Eight High) (Pre 54%, Flop 3%, Turn 1%)
Hero wins 73.2 BB
MP wins 73 BB
 
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Raise the flop imo as another diamond kills it for you, you'll probably get value from over pairs and weaker FDs and certainly from sets.

Also, flatting 3bets OOP is likely to be a bad idea (unless you have reads) and why aren't you buying in full?
 
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Thanks for the comment.

I dunno, just thought I would slow play it.

I thought he may have have either had no diamonds, so a raise would make him fold, or one diamond so slow playing would get him to chance the pot and see if he can get another diamond.. Either way, i thought he would be drawing dead, so IMO it was worth just trying to get him into the pot. Let's face it, by the river there were only 2 possible cards that could have ended this hand, and one of them came, it's such an unlikely event given the board - who would have thought ..?

But, I am learning, so will think about your suggestions and see how I could have done differently.

I am not sure what your second line means, can you explain a bit more ?
 
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lol i thought the come out was that he was going to show another higher straight flush since he was way over betting the pot and the play. even after the flop showing all diamonds and he didn't have any... he was definitely bluffing and knew that he couldn't win lol
 
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Thanks for the comment.

I dunno, just thought I would slow play it.

I thought he may have have either had no diamonds, so a raise would make him fold, or one diamond so slow playing would get him to chance the pot and see if he can get another diamond.. Either way, i thought he would be drawing dead, so IMO it was worth just trying to get him into the pot. Let's face it, by the river there were only 2 possible cards that could have ended this hand, and one of them came, it's such an unlikely event given the board - who would have thought ..?

But, I am learning, so will think about your suggestions and see how I could have done differently.

I am not sure what your second line means, can you explain a bit more ?

Calling 3bets out of position (OOP) in the micros is generally a bad idea as you end up playing a bloated pot without positional advantage. And 3betting ranges at 5nl Zoom are likely to be pretty tight (unless you have a tracker and know otherwise) so you may well be behind with AQs.

As to buying in full I meant why aren't you buying in for 100bb? Maybe you did buy in for 100bb but you haven't got auto top-up on? Either way, I would recommend buying in for 100bb and using auto top up to keep your stack at 100bb at the start of each hand.
 
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Ok, thanks for the tips.

When i started playing Zoom (a week ago) I was getting absolutely caned and have had to adapt my game (part of the learning process).

In order to control things, I am using this method:

1) Buy in with $4
2) As soon as I reach $5, back out of the game, bank $1 (or more) and rejoin.

The reason for this is I still will end up in all in hands where my AA gets cracked by hands like J8s making trips - the nature of Zoom is there are a lot more traps, loose play and aggression right to the river.

This strategy minimises my losses (I lose 4 instead of 5..)

My stats since studying and adapting my strategy are better.

I was over 40 GBP down, now I am only 23 down, though I was on 15 down at one point.

If I buy in for 5 and and up making say 3 more, if I get into an all in and lose then I lose 8. By banking and rebuying I am only really risking 4, as I will bank the other 4.

One thing is that if I am down to say 2, I notice a lot of aggression against a small stack trying to get an all in, and I can usually double up quite easily.

On cash tables I keep it in and rebuy automatically.

Zoom is definitely a whole new poker game.
 
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This strategy minimises my losses (I lose 4 instead of 5..)

And minimises your wins (you win 4 instead of 5) :)

If you are properly bankrolled (25+ buy-ins) then losing a full buy-in when, for example, your aces get cracked shouldn't be a problem, and in the long run you will make money off the guys playing J8. It may also be that you are not playing aces/kings correctly by either not raising enough pre or refusing to let go of them post flop when it's obvious you are beaten. But we would have to see the hand histories to know.

Short stacking also sucks because it gives you less room to manoeuvre because you commit yourself more easily and can't do fun stuff like bluff check-rasie flops :)
 
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That's a fair point.

Now I am holding my own on the Zoom tables, I will adopt your advice.

bankroll isn't an issue, but I am staying low stakes as part of the learning program. I am applying Ferguson rules. Discipline...

I have to be honest, I am just committed right now to get my Zoom stats up to break even (recover lost money - so far so good, should be done in week).

It's also a very good learning tool as I am getting much better at hand reading from Zoom, looking for traps like sets and so on.

It's definitely making me a better table player, and when I lose I am usually able to spot what I did wrong.
 
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Well good luck getting back to 0 and learning to beat Zoom
 
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Thank you -

Update will be going on the blog at the end of the month.
 
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