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When we cbet bluffing, should we focus on how my range hit the flop or how the flop hit my opponent range?

Let's say the flop is 7 2 3. This flop missed both pre flop raiser and my opponent range. So, should we make a cbet on this board?

Any advice?
 
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I will, there is no advantage to neither player.
 
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I will c bet 2. U forget have pocket pair ?
But sometimes I not c bet when I feel will get raise .. some hands u want see turn just check call , but hard to call u c bet n raise
 
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It depends a lot on your opponent. What you want to do when you cbet bluff is your opponent to fold. If youa are facing a calling station you shouldn't cbet, if your opponent only continues with a made hand you should always cbet. If he is on a grey zone you can try to bluff 2 streets, or get creative with a check raise, but only if you are sure if it will work.
 
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In dry boards it is usually the person who acts first that takes down the pot. If you open raise and that boards comes what your saying to your opponent is I have a pair higher than the board and as long as you have shown down some strong hands your usually going to take it down right there. If you have been active and aggressive then you may get some resistance. I think cbetting is all about timing and your image for that session. Good luck on the felts!
 
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one can not underestimate oppanentov! You can get a raise Сbet
 
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cbets are an invaluable tool to you to gather info from your opponent(s). Many times a cbet will induce a fold right there. If not and they raise you, that's when your history and knowledge of the opponent comes into play.
 
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if you know they missed & they think you can have a set - you should bet. they question is you should be surtain about your ops. Often ATo+/most suied brodways will not fold here unless they are in the hands of a nit. any one with omething like 20/18 stats can float or peel for 1 street
 
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Many things to consider

Your range
Their range
Are they a calling station
Do they float
What image do you have

I generally keep i simple, Cbet heads up unless you have a better reason to check.
 
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Don't be predictable You should be Cbetting about 50-60% of the time whether the flop helped or not. If the flop matches the range I put my opponent on I check behind whether I hit the flop or not.
 
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When we cbet bluffing, should we focus on how my range hit the flop or how the flop hit my opponent range?

Let's say the flop is 7 2 3. This flop missed both pre flop raiser and my opponent range. So, should we make a cbet on this board?

Any advice?

It doesn't matter your range when c-betting. The only thing that matters is who was in position and who was aggressive. If you're in early or middle position and you've raised and gotten a call then you should always c-bet on the flop and many times on the turn. Sometimes I've had to fire a third and final c-bet on the river before someone folds.
If your opponent called or raised from early or middle position and you re-raise from late position then again you should c-bet. Aggression wins.
 
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Many things to consider

Your range
Their range
Are they a calling station
Do they float
What image do you have

I generally keep i simple, Cbet heads up unless you have a better reason to check.

It is a very good point to mention "What image do you have" You may be playing a certain style, but a certain run of cards without a showdown can change your table image and you may have to change gears.
 
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I always catch bluffers on the flop.. If they cbets me just regulary I try to 3bet them and usualy they fold if it is a bluff
 
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Please correct me if my logic is wrong, but against an unknown opponent I am more hesitant to c-bet on a draw heavy flop with complete air, because I feel that the opponent calls you with a wider range and it's really difficult to know where you are.
To give an example, I probably check the flop nearly 100% of times with AhJc when the flop is 7d8d9s, whereas I c-bet nearly 100% of times when the flop is dry, f.e 6d2s9h. Thoughts?
 
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When we cbet bluffing, should we focus on how my range hit the flop or how the flop hit my opponent range?


imo, you should mostly focus how the flop hit to the villain’s range at 2NL and 5NL at least. This would indicate they are mostly level 1 players, and you should play at level 2 against them.



So 723 not hitting opponent range means you should cbet. Then again if opponent is fisher than normal, he will think with Ax hand this hit his range because A is beautiful and also because A is close of 23. Some formats (like 5NL pokerstars zoom) people are cbetting way too much this has devalued cbetting a lot there.



Please correct me if my logic is wrong, but against an unknown opponent I am more hesitant to c-bet on a draw heavy flop with complete air, because I feel that the opponent calls you with a wider range and it's really difficult to know where you are.
To give an example, I probably check the flop nearly 100% of times with AhJc when the flop is 7d8d9s, whereas I c-bet nearly 100% of times when the flop is dry, f.e 6d2s9h. Thoughts?
Yes your analysis sounds 100% correct to my ears.
 
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When we cbet bluffing, should we focus on how my range hit the flop or how the flop hit my opponent range?

Let's say the flop is 7 2 3. This flop missed both pre flop raiser and my opponent range. So, should we make a cbet on this board?

Any advice?

Depends, depends, depends. If you popped pre with (A, K) and you know your opponent's cold calling range is full of Broadways, then definitely c-bet. Your opponent doesn't know you missed. Secondly (A, K) isn't necessarily a miss if he'll call with (A, Q) or worse since you still have the best hand and a back door wheel draw. Add in possible back door flushes and you have even more reason to c-bet, not as a bluff, but for value.

If it was a lesser hand, and you figure to get called by (A, K) or better, then be less inclined to c-bet.
 
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I would have to agree with Cheapseats76 on how to handle this type of situation......even if you don't hit a pair sometimes I still win with higher A kicker or just higher cards in general!





In dry boards it is usually the person who acts first that takes down the pot. If you open raise and that boards comes what your saying to your opponent is I have a pair higher than the board and as long as you have shown down some strong hands your usually going to take it down right there. If you have been active and aggressive then you may get some resistance. I think cbetting is all about timing and your image for that session. Good luck on the felts!
 
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When we cbet bluffing, should we focus on how my range hit the flop or how the flop hit my opponent range?

Let's say the flop is 7 2 3. This flop missed both pre flop raiser and my opponent range. So, should we make a cbet on this board?

Any advice?

Generally you can c bet bluff if the flop likely would have hit the higher end of your range, and it is more likely it could have hit the lower end of your opponents range (if at all). It's also generally best to avoid c-betting on wet boards. It's based mostly off of fold equity (and sometimes your own equity), so there are several things to take into account I.e positions, opens, limps, previous hands, etc.
 
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