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Hi guys,

Example: I started a cash game with 5 dollar and after a while I got 10.
I thought it would be smart to leave the table and rejoin again with 5 dollar, so I can play with my profit and build my bankroll.
How do you guys think about this, keep 10 so you can win more or choose the safe way for building your bankroll?
 
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If you are using proper BRM then there is no reason to leave when you've doubled your stack.

If there are fish at the table then stay, especially if they also have a big stack.

If the table is full of regs and you aren't comfortable playing deep vs them, then it's probably wise to leave.
 
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What is the rule of buy ins per level that makes the most sense? I am fairly aggressive and have the occasional bankroll swings. I want to be ready to play in November when sites are legalized in the US.
 
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What is the rule of buy ins per level that makes the most sense? I am fairly aggressive and have the occasional bankroll swings. I want to be ready to play in November when sites are legalized in the US.
First of all, thanks for your advice micro. It is tempting to stop and join another table, but you're right. If I ain't swinging up and down at the table and the players are not that good there would be no reason to leave it. Thanks again.

Second, Fernando, I guess you should get started with like 20-30 BI (1 BI = 100BB). You can do it with less, but because of your swings I would choose something around those numbers.

*EDIT*
Micro, this was my session I was talking about.
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I'd rather stay with the bigger stack because it allows you to really play a full range of cash game hands.
 
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I don't know what to say. Last night it was a BIG maniac-fish at the table, I had 10$ my initial stack. After 4 hours of stacking him I got 46$. And one hand , this little hand: we go allin I got AJo and he showed AQo. He fu**d me up.
 
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oh I forgot to say... he was 3betting/4betting BIG with anything. He had like 40$ and I had 46$.. He took my entire stack... because of a cooler...
 
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Well, I guess the advice is pretty clear. Keep it and avoid coolers ;)
Thanks everyone!
 
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It's a good idea to get your own gain, and then start again with the winnings! Would be good if you download some BRM program to help you but in my case do not use any and it feels so wrong! In addition to building your bankroll if risking your money playing freerolls successes that will help! :)
 
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It's a good idea to get your own gain, and then start again with the winnings! Would be good if you download some BRM program to help you but in my case do not use any and it feels so wrong! In addition to building your bankroll if risking your money playing freerolls successes that will help! :)

Do you have some links for different BRM programs?
Never heard of anything like that. I tried to make some kind of excel sheet as a BRM, but that isn't working for me.
Besides that, thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it.
 
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Do you have some links for different BRM programs?
Never heard of anything like that. I tried to make some kind of excel sheet as a BRM, but that isn't working for me.
Besides that, thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it.

If you always keep 50+ buy-ins for the previous level and are strict about moving down you can't go wrong imo.

So, play 2nl with < $100
play 5nl with $100-$250
play 10nl with $250-$500
play 25nl with $500-$1250 etc etc
 
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If you always keep 50+ buy-ins for the previous level and are strict about moving down you can't go wrong imo.

So, play 2nl with < $100
play 5nl with $100-$250
play 10nl with $250-$500
play 25nl with $500-$1250 etc etc

I agree. But it's just so slow to moving up, I recommend 20 buy-in
 
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I agree. But it's just so slow to moving up, I recommend 20 buy-in
I would like to employ a more aggressive bankroll approach, but how many buy-ins would you lose before you drop down. To keep the math simple lets assume $25NL and $50NL. 20 buyins at $50NL would be $1000 so if you drop 10 buy-ins that would gove you $500 giving you still only 20 buy-ins for $25NL. Personally I am npore comfortable with 40 buy-ins, but if I want to take a more agro approach there has to be a stop loss, but what?
 
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Doing that wouldn't mater in the long run I think because what if you lose $5. You probably will reload and play that $5 that you just won right? Maybe not that very second but you would have to eventually.
 
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You need have a loss limit, too move back down in the stakes. There's no problem moving up in stakes once you hit 20BI for the next level, but make sure you drop down if you're taking losses.

To use your example:

20BI @ 50NL = $1000
20BI @ 25NL = $500

These should be considered the minimum allocations. I would drop back down after losing 2-3 buyins at 50NL, and rebuild the bankroll.

You're better off building 25 buy-ins for the next level, so that you can accommodate any bad runs whilst sticking to the new level, and drop back down if it gets too severe.
 
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i think it is a good strategy
i do the same
 
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It really doesn't matter.

But if it makes you feel better, then definitely do it so that you can play your A game
 
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Hi guys,

Example: I started a cash game with 5 dollar and after a while I got 10.
I thought it would be smart to leave the table and rejoin again with 5 dollar, so I can play with my profit and build my bankroll.
How do you guys think about this, keep 10 so you can win more or choose the safe way for building your bankroll?
The main principle of creating a bankroll - do it slowly and gradually, gradually acquiring experience, rather than trying to throw money at once. Unless you are financially independent and can afford to fill up your bankroll at any time. But still, it's better to be more disciplined. And to come each time with 5 rather than risk 10.
 
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The amount of money in your on-table stack should have little to no bearing on whether you stay on a table.

What should determine your decision are any or all of these in no particular order:

Fish, SLPs, Maniacs on table? Stay
TAGs on table? Change table or stop playing
Tiredness? Stop playing
Tilt? Stop playing
 
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Just depends on your personality.

Obviously in a perfect world you would want to have as much money possible so you can win more money. But then you might start playing looser, opening pots with hands you usually wouldn't play and getting yourself into trouble.

Personally, when I triple my buy-in, I usually leave the table and rejoin again with the table buy-in. I've found that when I have a lot of money, and then lose a few hands, I would start getting on tilt and just playing worse and try to win it back with worse hands.
 
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I don't know what to say. Last night it was a BIG maniac-fish at the table, I had 10$ my initial stack. After 4 hours of stacking him I got 46$. And one hand , this little hand: we go allin I got AJo and he showed AQo. He fu**d me up.

Even if this guy is a maniac whos getting it in real light, I really dont think you should be getting 400bbs in with just AJ
 
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I think you should sit with your whole bank. 1, just ONE badbeat and you can loose everything. It is adviceable to sit with 1/50 of your bank at the most. If not it is very easy to loose everything or most of it. I think that you should read at least something about bakroll management. It is as important as the game itself.
 
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From what I have read on poker forums and talking to alot of poker players , Bankroll management is good.. And 100 Buy ins would be what you should be doing. if your tourny is 1 dollar and bankroll is 100 , Its good!
 
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From what I have read on poker forums and talking to alot of poker players , Bankroll management is good.. And 100 Buy ins would be what you should be doing. if your tourny is 1 dollar and bankroll is 100 , Its good!

Look at the thread title: CASHgame stack management
 
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