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I've seen it said that tournament players are worse at cash games than vice versa.
What are the symptoms of this?
Personally I find myself acting as a calling station in cash games as there is no penalty for losing your chips (except that's wrong as it's real money) and I can just reload, whereas if I make a bad call in a tournament I'm more than likely eliminated and need to start all over again.
Is this typical or are there other mistakes players make?
 
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because most of tournaments are shortstacked, you only need to know solid preflop strategy, then decide the chance than an opponent hit a flop based on his range.

cash games, youre always (read, should be) 100BB effective stack minimum, so you have more streets to play correctly as opposed to raise pre then shove or fold flop, if not just open jamming pre.

all it means is that cash players are going to be better at deeper stacked games, and postflop.
 
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The shorter the stacks get the less skill is involved and the easier solid strategy is.

Playing for 5bb or so just involves shoving or not shoving. Short stackers just need a nash chart and their up and running. Playing 100bbs is so complex you'll always have room for improvement.
 
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if god played poker what structure would you pick to play him (he can see your hand and play perfectly but cant predict or change the runnout of cards)
 
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As always, it depends.

A lot of cash game players are horrible at shove/fold gameplay, because they are used to being 100bb deep and aren't sure what range they should be calling/shoving/folding with 20bb deep vs a shove from whatever position.

A lot of (micro)tourny players are shit at postflop play, because postflop is almost entirely irrelevant when it comes to (micro)tourny play.

most highstakes tourney players also play mid to highstakes cash in order to supplement their income and cover the variance they get from playing mtt's. But a lot of purely tournament/sng players are losing players at cash games.
 
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If your good at cash games but your really bad at tournaments you should play a little more convservative to not put yourself in situations to lose.
 
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if god played poker what structure would you pick to play him (he can see your hand and play perfectly but cant predict or change the runnout of cards)

Isnt his screenname acky?

And I'd play him HU4rollz. Lol
 
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if god played poker what structure would you pick to play him (he can see your hand and play perfectly but cant predict or change the runnout of cards)

A HU SNG with 0.5BB stacks. Would effectivly be a flip :p
 
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In cash games you are not under pressure to steal the blinds, so you can be more selective. When you do attack blinds, it is usually in hopes of playing a small pot in position. Stealing is just a bonus. Many tournament players seem to forget this.

This may not apply to all tournament players, but some, including me when I switched from primarily tournament to cash: I thought I would be able to apply more pressure because actual real $$$ money $$$ was at stake, but in reality many players (especially bad ones at low stakes) will be happy to gamble because they can reload.

The last thing I have noticed about tournament players in cash games is a tendency to call large turn and river bets when it seems pretty clear they should fold: Probably related to poor post flop skills noted in other posts.
 
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As always, it depends.

A lot of cash game players are horrible at shove/fold gameplay, because they are used to being 100bb deep and aren't sure what range they should be calling/shoving/folding with 20bb deep vs a shove from whatever position.
And add in a gazillion other scenarios here as well (not gonna start listing them as there's obviously many).
A lot of (micro)tourny players are shit at postflop play, because postflop is almost entirely irrelevant when it comes to (micro)tourny play.
Not sure what you mean by 'irrelevant'? I would think this is where there'd be a huge & significant edge to be had in micro tourneys (if stacks deep enough obviously).
most highstakes tourney players also play mid to highstakes cash in order to supplement their income and cover the variance they get from playing mtt's. But a lot of purely tournament/sng players are losing players at cash games.
I don't think the last statement here is correct unless you're referring to 'live' tournament players and even then I'm not sure it'd be 'most'.

In the high buyin SCOOP & WCOOP Events online you'll see some HighStakes cashgame players going deep in the field.

I'd have to agree mostly with MofD though > 'boring' vs. 'sort of' or potentially exciting ;)
 
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Boring vs exciting
It's a personal matter because it depends on the individual. To use myself as an example, I far prefer MTTs and so play them at least 5x as many hours. However, I've never felt by heart in my mouth in an MTT the way I have when I've been in cash pots with hundreds of dollars for the taking. So while I'd agree that a lot of cash play is unexciting, some of mine has been more exciting in the moment than anything I've experienced in an MTT.
 
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It's a personal matter because it depends on the individual. To use myself as an example, I far prefer MTTs and so play them at least 5x as many hours. However, I've never felt by heart in my mouth in an MTT the way I have when I've been in cash pots with hundreds of dollars for the taking. So while I'd agree that a lot of cash play is unexciting, some of mine has been more exciting in the moment than anything I've experienced in an MTT.

Yes, I have to agree with all of this!

The satisfaction when running deep will count as well for me btw .
 
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