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Hi All

I am trying out NL Holdem cash need some tips.

I am mainly playing them for the Bolt challenges not really a Holdem cash player I prefer sng and mtt. Only cash games I play is PLO.

Starting out at 6 max 1/2 cent zoom 4 tables. Plan to move up in buy in if all goes well, would not increase # of tables four is my limit it is what I am accustomed to.

What tips do you guys have for me?

Should I buyin for 50 or 100 blinds?

What is a good session win rate? 2/5/10 buyin?

What should be my loss limit? right now I go 4 tables with max one rebuy on each.

Should I have run it twice on?

Should I automate buyin/top up?

What range should I open from early/position?

How light to defend blind?

What should be my value 3bet range?

What HUD stats should I keep handy other than VPIP PFR 3BET AF? Reason I ask I have a few different I find very handy for Spin n Go that I dont for MTT like CBET, Fold to CBET and AP.
 
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What is a good session win rate? 2/5/10 buyin?
30/20/above zero

If you are serious about learning 4 zoom tables is too much, if you already dominate the limits then you can do it. Honestly after reading 4 tables zoom I feel there is no point giving any detailed discussion about the topic because I have zero trust to your learning skills. And your questions really are also hinting to same direction. So rip your grind for fun feelings away and start learning poker.

And I might be totally wrong here too, but it’s good quality for zoom player to make fast reads :angel:
 
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Hi joeisi!

I might not answer every question if I feel like I don't have enough knowledge about the subject but here are some of my thoughts about your questions.

What tips do you guys have for me?

Your plan was to play microstakes so play tight and don't bluff. If you do bluff, pick someone who seems to know something about the game and make sure that your table image is tight before you do that. Don't ever bluff a fish cause then you will only lose your money. TAG is the best way to go. Be patient and have fun while crushing the stakes by doing so :D

Should I buyin for 50 or 100 blinds?

Always the maximum so 100bb for sure. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance so that's why you should keep your stack always full. Short-stack is a sign of weakness so don't do that and pay attention to those who do. They are probably not the best players.

What is a good session win rate? 2/5/10 buyin?

Basically anything above 0 is good. You have to remember though that you can't win every session so that's why you shouldn't be thinking too much about win rates one session at a time. It's the long run that matters. Here's a good article about win rates: http://www.microgrinder.com/poker-strategy-articles/introduction-to-win-rates/

What should be my loss limit? right now I go 4 tables with max one rebuy on each.

That depends highly on the player itself. Everything is good as long as you can stick to your A-game even after bad beats and don't tilt. However, sometimes you might be just running bad and then I would much rather just take a break even when I'm not tilting. Max one rebuy sounds reasonable to me, that's what I usually do myself too. Sometimes I just quit already when I have lost one buy-in and try again later.

Should I have run it twice on?

Some people do, most of us don't. My personal answer is no but someone might disagree and then I would also like to hear why so. I have never really understood the point of running twice. Of course it can save you from a bad beat but then again it also might prevent you from winning the whole pot when you are the favourite.

Should I automate buyin/top up?

Yes. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance to do that so that's why you should always keep your stack full. It makes sense if you really think about it: let's say you buy-in for 5 dollars. Then you lose 3 so without auto-top up your stack is now 2. Then in the next hand you get Aces and double up. You still have only 4 after that so you are still 1 dollar short. Now let's think about this with auto top-up: You have 5 and lose 3. After auto top-up your stack refills to 5 again. Right now you have lost that same 3 dollars but now when you double up, you win 5 because your stack is full and now you have actually made 2 dollars more instead of being one dollar short.

What range should I open from early/position?

In 6 max you can basically play much looser on early position as well so that's why I open almost the same cards as I do in the late position. Some people might strongly disagree with me in this one. I know that the common rule is to tighten up in the early position but I have made my own rules for 6 max and that has been working well for me.

How light to defend blind?

Another subject where people might disagree with me but in 6 max microstakes cash game, I don't really see the point of defending the blinds. If I have nothing good, I don't play.

What should be my value 3bet range?

Aaaand another where I might have a different kind of approach than others but at the microstakes, I 3bet really tight. That means that I only 3bet with AA, KK and AK. Sometimes QQ. Anything below that has caused me nothing but trouble. Most players don't pay attention to your game, they just look at their own cards all the time, so they don't even realize if you have been folding 50 hands in a row and then you are suddenly making a 3bet. They don't even think about a chance of you having AA at that time.

What HUD stats should I keep handy other than VPIP PFR 3BET AF? Reason I ask I have a few different I find very handy for Spin n Go that I dont for MTT like CBET, Fold to CBET and AP.

This is the only question that I don't have any answer since I don't use HUD myself. That's something that is still missing in my game and I too would like to hear answers to this question from someone else since I am really thinking about getting HUD.

I hope that my answers were at least little helpful to you :) Good luck!
 
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I will take a seat here , cash game is my probleme for a long long time , I'm gonna profit of this thread :D
 
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Bolt promo = fish fest for 2nl regs 😁

Study some ranges ranges first and adjust to deep stacked play.
 
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Thank you for your response it is much appreciated.

Hi joeisi!

I might not answer every question if I feel like I don't have enough knowledge about the subject but here are some of my thoughts about your questions.



Your plan was to play microstakes so play tight and don't bluff. If you do bluff, pick someone who seems to know something about the game and make sure that your table image is tight before you do that. Don't ever bluff a fish cause then you will only lose your money. TAG is the best way to go. Be patient and have fun while crushing the stakes by doing so :D



Always the maximum so 100bb for sure. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance so that's why you should keep your stack always full. Short-stack is a sign of weakness so don't do that and pay attention to those who do. They are probably not the best players.



Basically anything above 0 is good. You have to remember though that you can't win every session so that's why you shouldn't be thinking too much about win rates one session at a time. It's the long run that matters. Here's a good article about win rates: http://www.microgrinder.com/poker-strategy-articles/introduction-to-win-rates/



That depends highly on the player itself. Everything is good as long as you can stick to your A-game even after bad beats and don't tilt. However, sometimes you might be just running bad and then I would much rather just take a break even when I'm not tilting. Max one rebuy sounds reasonable to me, that's what I usually do myself too. Sometimes I just quit already when I have lost one buy-in and try again later.



Some people do, most of us don't. My personal answer is no but someone might disagree and then I would also like to hear why so. I have never really understood the point of running twice. Of course it can save you from a bad beat but then again it also might prevent you from winning the whole pot when you are the favourite.



Yes. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance to do that so that's why you should always keep your stack full. It makes sense if you really think about it: let's say you buy-in for 5 dollars. Then you lose 3 so without auto-top up your stack is now 2. Then in the next hand you get Aces and double up. You still have only 4 after that so you are still 1 dollar short. Now let's think about this with auto top-up: You have 5 and lose 3. After auto top-up your stack refills to 5 again. Right now you have lost that same 3 dollars but now when you double up, you win 5 because your stack is full and now you have actually made 2 dollars more instead of being one dollar short.



In 6 max you can basically play much looser on early position as well so that's why I open almost the same cards as I do in the late position. Some people might strongly disagree with me in this one. I know that the common rule is to tighten up in the early position but I have made my own rules for 6 max and that has been working well for me.



Another subject where people might disagree with me but in 6 max microstakes cash game, I don't really see the point of defending the blinds. If I have nothing good, I don't play.



Aaaand another where I might have a different kind of approach than others but at the microstakes, I 3bet really tight. That means that I only 3bet with AA, KK and AK. Sometimes QQ. Anything below that has caused me nothing but trouble. Most players don't pay attention to your game, they just look at their own cards all the time, so they don't even realize if you have been folding 50 hands in a row and then you are suddenly making a 3bet. They don't even think about a chance of you having AA at that time.



This is the only question that I don't have any answer since I don't use HUD myself. That's something that is still missing in my game and I too would like to hear answers to this question from someone else since I am really thinking about getting HUD.

I hope that my answers were at least little helpful to you :) Good luck!
 
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Thanks to the thread creator and all who have spent their time answering on the questions below. I would definetly follow your suggestions cause I really lack some of tips you've given in this thread, e.g. bluffing against fish - that's my problem, I try to bluff fish missing the point that he's FISH and won't fold even with the lowest pair or opening hands, sometimes I open 10Qo, JKo,QJo thinking that those hands are "monsters" and after missing the flop get tilted and lose cash. To sum up, the advices given previously were very beneficial and handy, thanks!:)
 
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Should I buyin for 50 or 100 blinds?
Towards the 100 because if you find that is too high a risk, you are playing above your bankroll's allowance and should be playing further down a buy-in level.

What is a good session win rate? 2/5/10 buyin?
This is dependent on the time you've spent playing and how many tables at once you played. Stick to 9-max tables as you 'leak' a lot less over long play session via blinds.

What should be my loss limit? right now I go 4 tables with max one rebuy on each.
I suggest playing 2 tables maximum for a beginner like yourself. You need to learn to deeply read into players rather than playing raw card stats. Poker is better than any other gambling game because you can do something called bluffing and can bait others into bluffing you which is somethign that defies the laws of statistics and means you can profit even more than your cards naturally allow if you are extremely attuned to the tables which you can't do playing four tables at once. Three tables is my maximum amount and I'm a semi pro players.

Prepare to lose 4 buyins for every 9 you win, this is a solid ratio that even the pros would agree with. You physically need to have the ability to risk losing some buyins to make some tough calls and raises against loose players.

Should I have run it twice on?
Not sure what site allows running things twice on but you should note that your opponent would also have to agree to run it more than once for it to go through and you also will find that this means that you are punihsing yourself because if it happens to be that when you lose it is being run once but when you could have won that amount of cash back, it's run twice and the second run loses for you, that is unfairly reducing your profit. Since it isn't run twice a lot, ever running it twice risks the first time being in your favor and the second time reducing what would have been your profit,. There is just no point at all in running it twice because all you're doing is earning less or losing less but then when the opponent says only run it once even if you want to run it twice the lower run amount gets their way and then you will be like 'why do I bother having this on?'.

Should I automate buyin/top up?
buy-in yes, no point wasting a turn to play again. Top-up should not be automated just because it's a poitnless waste of money if you happen to lose what woudl be 95% of your topped up stack that 5% extra was it really worth it... Lol. But if your stack reduces below 70% of what you came in with then yeah, manually top-up (this will mean you pay big blind next turn but it's worth it for the allin profit).

What range should I open from early/position?
Depends on the table and the amount of people already in the hand. The advantage of SB and BB (which everyone says are 'bad positions' is that you have perfect preflop vision of how many are entering the hand before deciding whether to call a raise or raise yourself etc. The less people in the hand, the more open your range should become UNLESS it's a very tight player who did the raising.

How light to defend blind?
Only if someone very reactive/loose is raising and you are very sure it's purely because they know you don't like to call preflop raises much, then consider defending a blind but overall be willing to fold your blind to most pre flop raisers if yoru hand is medium-to-bad.
 
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Hi joeisi!

I might not answer every question if I feel like I don't have enough knowledge about the subject but here are some of my thoughts about your questions.



Your plan was to play microstakes so play tight and don't bluff. If you do bluff, pick someone who seems to know something about the game and make sure that your table image is tight before you do that. Don't ever bluff a fish cause then you will only lose your money. TAG is the best way to go. Be patient and have fun while crushing the stakes by doing so :D



Always the maximum so 100bb for sure. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance so that's why you should keep your stack always full. Short-stack is a sign of weakness so don't do that and pay attention to those who do. They are probably not the best players.



Basically anything above 0 is good. You have to remember though that you can't win every session so that's why you shouldn't be thinking too much about win rates one session at a time. It's the long run that matters. Here's a good article about win rates: http://www.microgrinder.com/poker-strategy-articles/introduction-to-win-rates/



That depends highly on the player itself. Everything is good as long as you can stick to your A-game even after bad beats and don't tilt. However, sometimes you might be just running bad and then I would much rather just take a break even when I'm not tilting. Max one rebuy sounds reasonable to me, that's what I usually do myself too. Sometimes I just quit already when I have lost one buy-in and try again later.



Some people do, most of us don't. My personal answer is no but someone might disagree and then I would also like to hear why so. I have never really understood the point of running twice. Of course it can save you from a bad beat but then again it also might prevent you from winning the whole pot when you are the favourite.



Yes. You want to win the maximum when you have a chance to do that so that's why you should always keep your stack full. It makes sense if you really think about it: let's say you buy-in for 5 dollars. Then you lose 3 so without auto-top up your stack is now 2. Then in the next hand you get Aces and double up. You still have only 4 after that so you are still 1 dollar short. Now let's think about this with auto top-up: You have 5 and lose 3. After auto top-up your stack refills to 5 again. Right now you have lost that same 3 dollars but now when you double up, you win 5 because your stack is full and now you have actually made 2 dollars more instead of being one dollar short.



In 6 max you can basically play much looser on early position as well so that's why I open almost the same cards as I do in the late position. Some people might strongly disagree with me in this one. I know that the common rule is to tighten up in the early position but I have made my own rules for 6 max and that has been working well for me.



Another subject where people might disagree with me but in 6 max microstakes cash game, I don't really see the point of defending the blinds. If I have nothing good, I don't play.



Aaaand another where I might have a different kind of approach than others but at the microstakes, I 3bet really tight. That means that I only 3bet with AA, KK and AK. Sometimes QQ. Anything below that has caused me nothing but trouble. Most players don't pay attention to your game, they just look at their own cards all the time, so they don't even realize if you have been folding 50 hands in a row and then you are suddenly making a 3bet. They don't even think about a chance of you having AA at that time.



This is the only question that I don't have any answer since I don't use HUD myself. That's something that is still missing in my game and I too would like to hear answers to this question from someone else since I am really thinking about getting HUD.

I hope that my answers were at least little helpful to you :) Good luck!

I am not an easy guy to impress but your advice was spot on.
 
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